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Donald Miller
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| Posted: 25 March 2009 at 9:07am | IP Logged | 1
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Just a brief examination of your story reveals the truth of the matter.
claims that I don't respect her
That right there is the crux of the problem. It is unfortunate that many people cannot just live with the fact someone does not like them. I am sure that there are people who do not like me, I just don't care.
It seems you have an administrator who understands and this will just blow over, sad it had to waste both of your time.
Don
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Geoff Gibson
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| Posted: 25 March 2009 at 9:09am | IP Logged | 2
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You know there is a difference between treating someone respectfully and respecting them. One should be expected, the other must be earned.
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Donald Miller
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| Posted: 25 March 2009 at 9:11am | IP Logged | 3
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On a different note,
Tom in answer to your question on how the weight loss is going...
too soon to tell, I started yesterday, I have put myself on a fairly agressive 1,719 calorie /day budget. This should allow me to lose 2 pounds a week getting me to my ideal weight around October.
I have not figured in an exercise plan yet, I am waiting to hear from my doctor. I have high blood pressure and would hate to give myself a heart attack in my quest for better health.
Don
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Tom French
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It is unfortunate that many people cannot just live with the fact someone does not like them.
That was my take in a nutshell. I said to her, "I don't like you. I haven't liked you for four years, but we've worked together just fine. I don't HAVE to like you."
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Marc Foxx
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Jane Lynch is a riot - I think I've heard she's one of "yours"...has anyone else caught her in "Party Down", a new show on the Starz channel about a catering company in LA? Seems to have a lot of alumni from "Veronica Mars" in it (no Kristen Bell, sadly), but it does have Lizzy Caplen, which is a good thing.
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Jeremiah Avery
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Reminds me of what some of us would say when we worked on a project together "We're not friends, but we'll get along to get this done."
I mainly have a supervisor that aggravates the heck out of me. Not much I can do but keep doing my work well so he can't have much to leverage. He kept saying I hand in everything at the last minute, but when I produced the electronic timestamps showing when everything was posted, he hasn't said anything since.
By the way, thanks for the workout advice awhile back, Tom. Though work had me slack a bit lately, I've curbed some of my eating and have dropped a few pounds. I still have a long way to go, but it's better than gaining more.
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Joakim Jahlmar
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Okay, so playing catch up again after two days without a functioning computer... which is exactly the time you learn how addicted one has become to having a computer, not to mention internet for the day to day functions of life.
Anyways... back again and at it!
Steve wrote:
“Basically it's structured as two punchlines, the Bolton joke being the first and the lawyer one being the second. Though it isn't a traditional lawyer joke in the sense I'm not making fun of lawyers I'm making fun of the predjudice lawyers sometimes face (made clear in a few more strips when the lawyer gets in). Hopefully I'll figure it out with some more practice.”
Thinking more about it, after hearing your own comment, I think you could possibly make two interconnected strips out of it. Using the set up + Bolton joke in strip one, and then follow up with the whole lawyer joke in strip two. I mean, many great strips, like Calvin and Hobbes tell a short story over a few strips with one punchline per strip being delivered. I think it could work here as well.
Steve also wrote:
“As to making it more topical, I'm sure that'll sneak in from time to time but the strips I love, and the ones I want to evoke, have a sort of timeless quality to them (Calvin and Hobbes, Foxtrot) even when they're being topical.”
I think that’s a good ambition, though I also think if done well, topical can have that timeless quality... sort of by using something specific to point to something more general, in a sense. Because a lot of the topical problems encountered aren’t too specific to be related in a general manner. So to speak.
More Steve:
“Joakim, I was going to type another (probably overlong) post about what I meant about male instincts and patterns of behaviour but I decided against it. I have a different opinion than yours and I think both (and many other) viewpoints are equally valid and deserve to be expressed rather than repressed. My whole point is that different viewpoints are good for society, good for children's development, and a good way to get different people with different viewpoints to enjoy reading. Getting into specifics would be counter productive in that I don't think it's proper to determine what is 'good' for boys or girls to read. My basic problem is women (mothers, educators, writers, publishers, librarians) deciding what boys 'should' like and then being surprised when boys reject that and in this case choose not to read.”
I don’t necessarily think we’re on such different sides of the fence, Steve. I too think different viewpoints and opinions are good for society, but that said, I don’t necessarily think that all viewpoints are therefore equally good. The reason why I posed the question originally, was more to understand the context of your own argument, not necessarily to settle once and for all what is “good literature” for boys or girls, but rather to see what you opposed more specifically, in the sense that there are some ideas previously strongly promoted that we perhaps need not promote... and others that might be needed to promote.
And sometimes, I think it can be a notion of finding a third option. Besides, the kind of grossness etc you mention, apropos of the worm eating, I don’t necessarily think is any more gender bound than on a cultural level. If girls weren’t groomed into more timid beings who’re supposed to behave while boys get more leeway to misbehave, I don’t think there’s anything genetic in their make up to repel them from worm eating, farts or what not. In fact, I’d argue that children in general seems to appreciate a certain amount of grossness.
Tom wrote:
“Legalizing it will just lower the quality.”
Recently saw a documentary suggesting otherwise. The argument there ran that legalisation would give the customer more control and insight into what they’re buying... and not getting weeds that have been treated with glass particles to “look” stronger (and be fucking dangerous, to say the least, to get into your lungs).
Geoff wrote:
“Its like fishing in a stocked pond, Moyer.
No. I am kidding. Weddings are though. All that booze and dancing and romantic bullshit. Unless you are related to every single woman in the room you generally do okay. Or at least I did. Now that I am married I just go to weddings and weep for the poor bastard up there joining the army thats never won a battle.”
So... um... you’ve tried pulling at a funeral then, Geoff?
Don wrote:
“That right there is the crux of the problem. It is unfortunate that many people cannot just live with the fact someone does not like them. I am sure that there are people who do not like me, I just don't care.”
What? Wait... we don’t HAVE to be loved by everybody? Now you're telling me! ;)
Tom wrote:
“That was my take in a nutshell. I said to her, ‘I don't like you. I haven't liked you for four years, but we've worked together just fine. I don't HAVE to like you.’”
Agreed. The respect bit though, could be trickier in some cases. I mean, there are instances where not respecting someone’s way of handling certain things would make it more or less impossible to work together (or at the very least doing that well).
But that being said, naturally doesn’t equate that we should “respect” everyone* whatever they do or however they treat their job. If somebody for instance is totally inept and incompetent at doing what they’re paid to do... I for one find it utterly hard to respect them in their professional capacity. In fact, I’d have a hard time respecting anyone who respected them for that. But there is after all a difference between respect and liking.
* Beyond the basic respect as a human being, of course.
Edited to add missed footnote.
Edited by Joakim Jahlmar on 25 March 2009 at 11:31am
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Geoff Gibson
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So... um... you’ve tried pulling at a funeral then, Geoff?
Just my cousin. And she was amazing.
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Dwayne Gassmann
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Does anyone else have a co-worker that they just can't stand. How do you all deal with that?
No matter where I have worked there has always been someone that I can't stand and they can't stand me. I can't
really explain it, but I just accept it. There is always a person. Always.
One place a guy wanted to throw down in the parking lot after work, but backed off when I called his bluff. I posted
a recent experience in Tom's other thread in which a female co-worker included me in a report to HR. It really
effected our working relationship. Now that I am older and wiser (sort of), I try to make the best of it. Kill 'em with
kindness. Minimize the amount of time I have to be around them. Don't really offer help, but don't deny help
either. Sometimes it works and sometimes they quit.
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Tom French
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No matter where I have worked there has always been someone that I can't stand and they can't stand me.
That's the nature of human beings. I have fallen into like with people immediately for no good reason and have had the opposite happen, too.
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Donald Miller
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Tom, I am madly, deeply in like with you.
I would say it was like at first site. (you see what I did there?)
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Al Cook
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No matter where I have worked there has always been someone that I
can't stand and they can't stand me.
It's definitely true. I work for myself now and the self-loathing is palpable
around here.
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