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Al Cook
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Sexual orientation is NOT part of the screening process for Scout Leaders in
Canada.
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Tom French
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Just because you're Gay doesn't mean you're happy!
And we're back!
The whole word "gay" as it has evolved has always struck me as interesting -- talk about taking a word far from its intended meaning. Same could be said for "faggot," right? "Queer" I get, at least -- that one's not so far off -- but "gay?" And "fag?"
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy -- but does that mean that straight people can't be gay?
Edited by Tom French on 28 June 2008 at 4:46am
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John Byrne
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I was told years ago that the origin of "faggot" for homosexuals is pretty twisted. Seems that when it was fashionable to burn witches, homosexuals would occasionally be tossed on the fire as kindling (faggots).Don't really believe it, tho. I suspect the origin comes more from those sausage rolls mentioned in reference to British slang in another thread.
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Tom French
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I'd forgotten about that sausage rolls thing until you said it -- much more likely than the witchy thing (though I have a great image in my head of a cord of stacked nellies).
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Tom French
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Speaking of which --
There's a new gay "sports bar" in DC aptly titled "Nellies" -- and the servers and bartenders all wear these baseball jerseys with the name across their chests.
You may ask, are there sports on any of the tv's? Not when we stopped in -- just the new Biance vid. We rolled our eyes and left.
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John Byrne
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You may be amused by THIS.
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Tom French
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"...and a bag of ass-bandits!"
I'm gonna chuckle on that all day. Thanks.
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Joakim Jahlmar
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Catching up again...
Donald wrote:
"Somehow she can't wrap her head around the fact that I have been a member of the forums for a while and these are my friends. We share the same views on many things..and disagree on many as well, but have a shared passion for comics and the art of JB in particular...I have hard time explaining why it is so easy to share with you guys...go figure."
I think it's the thing where people seem unable to grasp that people get close through communicating (and a little bit of trusting) regardless of the forum or medium for it; i.e. a real life meeting, on-line meeting, phone conversations, pen pals, e-mail correspondances.
Sure the anonymity of the internet is not always the most conducive thing to the equation, but as I 've said to many people, if you meet somebody you don't know in a bar or even at a bit of a more large scale party (where everyone doesn't know everyone else), is the fact that you happen to know how the person looks (and probably presume you know the gender, though that's certainly not a given truth by any means) really gonna tell you for certain that everything the person tells you is the truth any more than if you were "meeting" on-line. In all circumstances, you have to choose to place your trust at some point or level and then go with that. And honestly, regardless of medium or venue, I've always found that a little bit of trusting is the best way to make friends, so...
JB wrote:
"'strangers' in a technical sense"
This got me thinking... exactly how do we define a "stranger" even at its most techical this day? I'm just thinking, since in this day and age, it seems strange to put the line at real life meetings.
My previous girlfriend, who were from Holland, and I "met" on a mailinglist devoted to a band we both like a lot. We neded up corresponding a lot via private e-mails, became very good friends and eventually graduated to talking over the phone on occasion. We met up when I happened to be in Holland, and later on when I went down again and I stayed at her place, and we ending being a couple for the next 2-3 years.
Now, I'd say that we were very close friends and knew each other better than many if not most people we'd met in real life knew either of us, long before we'd ever met in real life or heck had even heard the other person's voice.
Tom wrote (apropos of Eric's spider-sense):
"But because he doesn't read comic books, he has no idea what that is, so he ignores it."
Now that's REALLY funny. I can just see your hubbie going around, wondering why his head keeps "buzzing".
Wayne wrote:
"Slip of the tongue?"
Oh, I have a great story about THAT. When I was in secondary high school a girl I knew in the grade below, whom I was becoming friends with (one of my best friends to this day in fact), visited me at my parents place. Now, at that particular time, my parents were off on vacation, and me and my girlfriend at the time was house sitting. At some point during the day, my girlfriend had to take off to water plants in a her mom's place (also on vacation), so me and my friend were on our own. As time went on, we were supposed to prepare a meal in time for my girlfriend's return and while (not yet a fish-fake-vegetarian) was frying some minced meat for a sauce, my hands got a bit unclean (which I generally dislike), thus I asked my friend to stir while I went to wash my hands. Having said that (or at least being under the assumption that I'd said that), I found myself looking into a face somewhat shocked, and I realised that something had come out wrong. Retracing my lines in my head, I suddenly (and much to my embarrassment) realised that while I'd meant to say, "Could you just stir for a while, while I wash my hands", I'd actually said, "Could you just stir for a while, while I go and undress". Naturally with the same casual delivery with which I would have deliverec what I'd intended to. Red face followed and stuttering apologies... but as stated we got past that moment, and still laugh about it on occasion.
Well, what can I say, few people look good in a Freudian slip. ;)
Kevin wrote:
"I don't worship the beaver, but when I see one I try to bring it some wood.
(...and I'm spent...)"
And now I have to ask: Spent by the punning or the... um... wood gathering? ;)
Tom wrote:
"Kevin, if that wood lasts for more than four hours, see your doctor immediately."
If he can see the wood for all the trees...
Tom also wrote:
"We went to pride here in DC -- tragedy."
Reminds me of an "incidence" on Stockholm's Pride Festival here in Sweden a few years back. A famous (in Sweden) TV hostess (who is straight, but supporting the cause) was hosting one (or more) of the events surrounding the parade. And in the process she suddenly felt an urge to do something more for the cause of these gays and lesbians, so she tore off her shirt and gave topless flashing as her gift, and made the news, of course. And when I heard, I just felt, yes, that's what's needed, make it all about sex in the streets and flashing and stuff, because gay people aren't regular people, and don't want regular lives. Because just because you happen to want sex with someone of your sex, that'd make you only have public sex, or weird, hardcore sex or whatnot, right?
Next dumbest thing I've heard beside all the Rikki Lake kinda people who say they're bi-sexuals and therefore NEED to have sex with people of both sexes all the time and seemingly can't be monogamists. Which I personally think is a load of BS (no pun actually intended when written, though I just spotted one when I read it through). Or heterosexual men couldn't either, because we'd need to experience all the differences available on the heterosexual market as well.
JB wrote:
"Just because you're Gay doesn't mean you're happy!"
See, this is where the dictionaries confuse me.
Tom wrote:
"The whole word 'gay' as it has evolved has always struck me as interesting -- talk about taking a word far from its intended meaning."
As a fun aside, apropos of this, my girlfriend got a hold of a book a while back about David Niven (I believe). The book was quite old (I think she either found it in second hand bookstore or via her bookcrossing friends) and included a wonderful line on the back about Niven "the gay buccaneer". My girlfriend at first went, "oh, was he gay too?", then realised it would've been a strange selling point for the book given its vintage, and finally realised that it must be the other meaning of "gay" that was intended. And then she showed me, and I went through roughly the same cycle as she had.
Tom wrote:
"Don't get me wrong, I'm happy -- but does that mean that straight people can't be gay?"
Straight as arrow, Tom, but very gay about you and Eric and the amusement had on this thread.
O, loved that Hugh and Laurie bit. Thanks for supplying the link, JB.
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Kevin Hagerman
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There once was a man named Tom French
Who could not find joy with a wench,
Said he: "I can't see
My Tab A in Slot B,
But two tabs will work fine in a pinch."
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John Byrne
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…exactly how do we define a "stranger" even at its most techical this day?•• Paul Kupperberg suggested what is to me still the best definition of what happens online. Working in New York, Paul would each day take the train to and from his home in Connecticut, catching it at the same hour each morning and evening, and thus finding himself riding with many of the same people time after time. Naturally, familiar faces became people who spoke and were spoken to, in time, and certain kinds of friendships evolved. But these were friendships that were specific to a situation -- the train ride -- which was, when you come to think of it, quite alien to the rest of the lives of Paul and the other people. Thus, he never felt inclined to invite any of the train folk over for a Sunday afternoon barbecue at Casa Kupps, nor was any such invitation ever extended to him. That's how it is for most of the "relationships" that form online. This is an environment very alien to the rest of our daily lives, and the people we "meet" here, remain in a real sense strangers. Most of us could find ourselves on elevators with other Forum members without ever knowing it. We could sit next to each other in movie theaters and not be aware that someone with whom we had exchanged some fairly intimate details of our lives was an elbow away. It is as if there are, say, ten items in a "friendship bag", and we here online have been issued two or three of them.
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Brian Talley
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There once was a man named Tom French
Who could not find joy with a wench,
Said he: "I can't see
My Tab A in Slot B,
But two tabs will work fine in a pinch."
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Ladies and gentlemen, Kevin Hagerman....let's hear it for him!! He'll be here all week, or until the health department gets rid of him!
And as referenced in another thread....please tip your waitresses and bartenders... even if you don't want to!!
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Joakim Jahlmar
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JB wrote:
"It is as if there are, say, ten items in a 'friendship bag', and we here online have been issued two or three of them."
Interesting analogy by Kuppenberg, though I'm unsure if I fully buy it. The thing is that, at least to my understanding there is a difference between a stranger, acquaintance and then friend. What could be said about acqauinatnces on the train, could to a great extent be said about a lot of people at the work place as well, or at the local pub or club or whatever. I totally agree that there are different layers of friendship, both in real life and on-line, but I'm not sure I'd say that it's any less part of our every day lives. In fact, a train ride each day while commuting seems pretty much like an every day experience to me, and hence a great part of the every day life (and a part that can be made more fun with acquaintances along for the ride).
A stranger to me, is somebody I know nothing about and that know nothing about me. As soon as we start sharing that kind of information, I (perhaps optimistically) believe we are getting to know one another a bit. Doesn't mean we'll all be friends, but I don't think we fully classify as strangers either.
Also JB:
"Most of us could find ourselves on elevators with other Forum members without ever knowing it. We could sit next to each other in movie theaters and not be aware that someone with whom we had exchanged some fairly intimate details of our lives was an elbow away."
That's certainly true. But only tied to external appearances, which could conceivably also place friends whom you haven't had a chnace to meet up with for a loooong time in the same category. And that could be friends you still actively know in the sense of keeping in contact via phone or mail (snail or electronic), but who happen to have moved to another country (or part of the one you're in).
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