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Kevin Hagerman
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Not to mention the "good old days" when it had to be a man and woman of the same race. But then we re-defined marriage to move with the times. And society crumbled, just like they said it would.
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Al Cook
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Scripture is cultural, Dan. It's only 'supracultural' if you believe it.
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Not to mention the "good old days"
Kevin -
I am not sure what you are referring to.
I have always been in favor of cross-cultural marriages. I have many friends who are blessed in their cross-cultural marriage. :-)
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Scripture is cultural, Dan. It's only 'supracultural' if you believe it.
I disagree, Al, respectfully.
Some aspects of Scripture are supracultural, some are not. Letting the text of Scripture speak for itself, Gen. 1 and 2 are supracultural. Deut. 24 is cultural. There are other examples, but I will not elababorate on them here.
BTW: I will be offline for the rest of the day. I'll be back later for continued discussion if anyone is interested.
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Kevin Hagerman
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It wasn't so long ago those marriages would be illegal, Dan. The last ones to go in the U.S. went in 1967.
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Donald Miller
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Well, back from the extended break and happy to post to all my friends on JBF.
Things went well at Casa de Miller this year.
we had a Christmas Eve Dinner with the In-Laws where we served: Beer Bourguignon and scalloped potatoes.
we had a great christmas morning, My Youngest doughter Sarah got her own Cell phone. (She got herself lost at the store and my wife insists it's time for one.)
My wife and I got matching Iphones. Learning to love it already.
I have missed all of my peeps on the board though and am glad to be back.
D-
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On the topic of "marriage". I can think of two ways to handle this amicably.
1. We recognize that by today's standards a "marriage" is not necessarily a religious sacrament, but can also be a social statement, or a simple contract. Thereby allowing any two consenting adults to get married should they want to, or not.
2. We let the religious people have their word, and in so doing expunge it from any governmental usage. The State cannot provide marriage licenses, only civil union certificates. The State will treat those with civil union certificates to civil union benefits, Tax breaks, and the like. A "marriage", much like a "bar mitzva", will not be recognized by the state.
Problem solved.
Don
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We let the religious people have their word, and in so doing expunge it from any governmental usage. The State cannot provide marriage licenses, only civil union certificates. The State will treat those with civil union certificates to civil union benefits, Tax breaks, and the like. A "marriage", much like a "bar mitzva", will not be recognized by the state.
Problem solved.
I would be completely for this,plus being an atheist it makes perfect sense. The way marriage was originally designed, woman were like cattle and are still at times, being asked to "obey" the man. But they have to come up with a different phrase then "Civil Union". I see a great money making idea, open a Civil Union Ceremony business. The religious people don't own the word "wedding" so I think a we need to just phase out the word "marriage".
Good call Don.
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Oh Steve Great Card!
Juan I saw your card too in another thread, It also looked great .
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Kevin Hagerman
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The way marriage was originally designed, woman were like cattle and are still at times, being asked to "obey" the man.
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Women don't have to obey men? That explains a lot! I can now throw out my "every woman I know is a lesbian" hypothesis...
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Women don't have to obey men? That explains a lot! I can now throw out my "every woman I know is a lesbian" hypothesis...
LOL Chuck asked that "Obey" be removed from our vows because he told the preacher that if he asked me that during the ceremony and I said yes, he would bust out laughing because he knew I would never do that.
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2. We let the religious people have their word, and in so doing expunge it from any governmental usage. The State cannot provide marriage licenses, only civil union certificates. The State will treat those with civil union certificates to civil union benefits, Tax breaks, and the like. A "marriage", much like a "bar mitzva", will not be recognized by the state.
Don -
At face value, I would be in favor of this.
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