I hear you loud and clear, but from the point of genetic drive to reproduce and in animalistic terms be the king of the kill, it still strikes me as odd that male homosexuality would pose a problem.

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Think of how your typical male feels vaguely threatened when anything blurs the gender lines - men with long hair (sometimes even women with short hair) being a decent example of recent vintage.  Men like to get their rocks off, and gay/effeminate/non-traditional men pose the "threat" of being a sexual outlet that is a reproductive dead end.

The "family values" crowd can go on and on about love, and God's plan for us, and the family unit, but in the end?  It's all about cocks and cunts.

Category three, Dan, would be people who don't have a personal problem with homosexuality, but see it as wrong because it says it is wrong in The Bible (or similar holy text for the applicable religion).

Thanks for the elaboration, Kevin.

You crack me up Jodi! I learned the "spit" line from RuPaul. It's stayed with
me every since. How gay is that???

Well call me Rosie because I LOVED RuPaul!!!!!! I wonder whatever happened to him? Damn he was a good looking woman and sooooo funny.

Dan here is the thing that I have a problem with . . .

Jodi -

I appreciate your thoughtful explanation.  I do understand where you're coming from.  Your conclusion follows nicely from your premise.  However, as you know, many Christians start with a different premise.  I know what I am about to say is difficult to appreciate, understand or even believe; but I don't believe that Christians (in regards to gay marriage) are about preventing gays from having their rights.  A biblical conviction leads Christians to believe that God as the Creator created men and women to enjoy one another sexually in the bond of heterosexual, monogamous, faithful marriage.  The sexual intimacy and sometimes the children which are the fruit of that union are by God's design for people to enjoy.  The Bible is clear that other "forms" of sexual activity are not in concord with God's design, and therefore are seen as less than ideal.  In sum, Christians aren't about taking away the rights of gays to be married.  Rather, Christians are promoting and defending what the Creator established as good, perfect and joyful.  I know that atheists and members of the GLBT community will disagree, but that is where the majority of Christians are coming from on this issue.  Unfortunately, in our pluralistic society, there is an extreme divide on this issue which makes it challenging and often impossible to come to agreement on something that is so personal to people from either side of the discussion.

BTW: I like Billy Graham too !  He is (imho) the most respected, humble Christian leader of our era.  He is a man of total integrity !

Dan, I’m still a bit curious as to why religious people have not been raising a ruccus about the secularisation of marriage in society at large, but get very ”it’s all religious and sacred” once gay people want part of the social benefits.

Joakim -

Please elaborate on what you mean by secularisation of marriage, and then I'll be happy to answer your question !

I'm going to take my wife out for lunch at our favorite Italian restaurant !  I'll be back in a bit ! :-)

Question for the thread members: Best Christmas gift you ever gave or received?

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My wife always gives really thoughtful Christmas presents. Last year, she gave me a digitial photo album, which was cool enough. But when I turned it on, I realized it already was filled with photos of our son.

Dan thanks for the thoughtful post and have a great lunch!

I am getting from your post and correct me if I am wrong, is this:

Christians feel the word and religious ceremony that "marriage" is, according to the bible,  an act between a man and a woman, for the sole purpose to create life. And by saying that gay couples are not following exactly the religious meaning of the ritual called marriage, they should not be allowed to call it that.  Christians feel marriage is religion based and there are rules to follow. Is it that they feel they have "ownership " in the word?

My wife always gives really thoughtful Christmas presents. Last year, she gave me a digitial photo album, which was cool enough. But when I turned it on, I realized it already was filled with photos of our son.

That is a GREAT gift.