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Juan Jose Colin Arciniega Byrne Robotics Member

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Thanks for pointing that Moyer... finally i could read Tom's suggested page...
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

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There is going to be a rally of "Students for a Hate Free Daily" at UW today against this.
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Great; glad to hear the Thought Police are coming out for this.
As a former newspaper man, I'm foolish enough to believe that newspaper opinion pages are a place where people can share differing beliefs - even strongly-held ones.
While I completely disagree with the writer's opinion, he has the right to be able to express it in a lawful, peaceful manner. Winning ideological arguments can't be done by shutting up opposing viewpoints. If these protesters truly were serious about what they believe in, they would write a counter-point article on why gay marriage should be legal.
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Brian Talley Byrne Robotics Member

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A man was laying in bed with his new girlfriend. After having great sex, she spent the next hour just scratching his nuts, something she seemed to love to do. As he was enjoying it, he turned and asked her, 'Why do you love doing that?' 'Because,' she replied, 'I really miss mine.'
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Peter Svensson Byrne Robotics Member

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If these protesters truly were serious about what they believe in, they
would write a counter-point article on why gay marriage should be
legal.
Who says they aren't? But also, they have the right to make their displeasure known. If a newspaper published a "You know, all this persecution of the KKK is unjustified, they have their opinions!" editorial, they would expect to get angry letters, rebuttals and yes, people upset that the newspaper they read published something that offended them.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Talley your joke cracked me up! Congrats on the win!!!
I have tried winning those call in contests a ton of times, have never even got thru on one, my brother called one time and won one because he called me on his cell while waiting for them to answer and asked me what the Brady Bunch Family dog was named? I knew that it was "Tiger" . The little shit didn't even offer to share it with me.
"She said Eve was stupid".
Stupid was the bad word she was referring to.
You are lucky Don, my youngest when he was in the first grade, was riding in the car with me on the way home from school. I asked him how his day was, he said "good" then goes "No it wasn't good" I ask what happened and he says "Can I say a bad word?" I say sure, thinking he would say Stupid, Hate, Shut-up or Idiot, all bad words to say to each other in the Moisan household. Well he thens tells me "Some little son of a bitch at recess, stole my lego's."
Needless to say I told his teacher if he asks to say a bad word, tell him NO. What shocked us, that isn't even a bad word term we use, it's like he was hanging out with a bunch of old men play cards. We did restrict his time with grandpa after that. LOL
I'm glad so many people are outraged and protesting Prop 8 now that the vote is over! Where was all this satiric outrage before?!?!?
Before the Black and Hispantic vote came out in such large numbers, it was projected to pass, by a 18 percent margin. I get that those that are very Catholic, that voted against this. But I am at a loss that the Black voter block didn't view it as something they have experienced to the extent they have. I know it was religion that played the all important part.
But it was just so very sad we elected a person that just 10 years ago was someone that would have never got elected because of descrimination, and blacks voted in such large numbers to descriminate. I think people assumed that is was a no brainer to vote down Prop H8. I am not trashing on blacks, it was the white dumbshits that brought this up for a vote in the first place. I guess the only thing truely color blind is hate.
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 05 December 2008 at 1:44pm
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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While I completely disagree with the writer's opinion, he has the right to be able to express it in a lawful, peaceful manner. Winning ideological arguments can't be done by shutting up opposing viewpoints. If these protesters truly were serious about what they believe in, they would write a counter-point article on why gay marriage should be legal.
While I agree with some of this Bruce, I feel that this was written by a member of the newspaper staff and therefore represents the newspaper and those that do not like it, have a right to protest in a peaceful way to bring attention to this newspapers opinion. I agree counter point letters need to be written, but a protest is a very effective way to bring attention to the issue. It's like turning the light on in a cockroach infested kitchen, they scurry and hide when you shine a light on them.
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

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Jodi, if I was going to protest every time I saw something dumb in a newspaper opinion section, I'd never have time to do anything else!
It just strikes me as typical of "campus activists," whom I view with a jaded eye. They tend to bray a great deal about "tolerance," yet seem completely intolerant of anyone who holds a dissenting viewpoint from them.
College is a bad age for most people - myself included. We think we have all the answers at that age, but there's so much we don't know and we just don't realize it. I'm not a country music fan, but I recently heard a song that went something like, "I'm so much smarter now than I was back when I knew it all."
That sums up just about everyone in college, I think, including these protesters and the editorial writer.
Edited by Bruce Buchanan on 05 December 2008 at 1:51pm
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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While I completely disagree with the writer's opinion, he has the right
to be able to express it in a lawful, peaceful manner. Winning
ideological arguments can't be done by shutting up opposing viewpoints.
If these protesters truly were serious about what they believe in, they
would write a counter-point article on why gay marriage should be legal.
Bruce, while I agree with the spirit of your argument here. There are some "opinions" that are outright bigotry. The opinion of not wanting same sex marriages is at least defensible. the opinion that gays are just "Not Right" and need to be "dealt with" is bigoted and borderline hate speech. That crosses a line for me. The deference between offering the opinion that black people seem to be better gifted athletically, and the opinion that this gift is because they are more apelike.
Don
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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the opinion that gays are just "Not Right" and need to be "dealt with" is bigoted and borderline hate speech.
Don that is what I was trying to say and you did so much better. I would say I felt it was hate speech. I agree we can't protest everything that gets us upset, but this issue is descrimation pure and simple. And I found the letter to be really offending. I do not think for one minute, people choose to be gay, as I do not choose to be a woman. I believe one day science will find something in a persons DNA that proves this. Then there will be no way to deny equal rights.
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Moyer Hall Byrne Robotics Member

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Okay... since we are sharing jokes... and please, don't let me change the
topic, but I had to share:
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A very loud, unattractive, mean-acting woman walked into WalMart with
her two kids, yelling obscenities at them all the way through the
entrance.
The WalMart greeter said pleasantly, "Good morning, and welcome to
WalMart. Nice children you have there. Are they twins?"
The ugly woman stopped yelling long enough to say, "Hell no, they ain't.
The oldest one's 9, and the other one's 7. Why the hell would you think
they're twins? Are you blind, or just stupid?"
"I'm neither blind nor stupid, Ma'am," replied the greeter. "I just couldn't
believe you got laid twice. Have a good day, and thank you for shopping
at WalMart."
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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OK Moyer that was really funny!!!!!!
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Joakim Jahlmar Byrne Robotics Member

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Brian wrote: ”My Christmas shopping just got easier!!”
Way to go, Brian!
Tom wrote: ”I'm glad so many people are outraged and protesting Prop 8 now that the vote is over! Where was all this satiric outrage before?!?!?”
I’m inclined to agree. I think the satire also made an excellent point vis-a-vis the money issue, especially during a global financial crisis.
Don wrote: ”The other day my daughter was telling a story about a friend at school and asked permission to say a bad word as a quote...permission given. [...] Stupid was the bad word she was referring to.”
While I applaud the general outlook on things here, I think this would be one of those most problematic of things for parents vis-a-vis bad words... Not only to classify which ones in fact are bad (and that in itself doesn’t on the whole strike me as necessarily unproblematic), but also such a ”simple” notion as usage and context.
Stupid being a very good case in point... as I think most of wouldn’t really rate it as a bad word, while it can certainly be used as it if thrown in the face of people as an insult.
I seem to recall a previous discussion in here somewhere, where we brought up substitutional words and how those inevitably end up being charged in similar maners as the ”bad words” themselves, if used as proper ”cursing” substitution. A kid saying ”fudge” repeatedly instead of you know what, will most likely be told off by a parent (who’s doing his/her job that is), whereas a kid referring to a female dog as a bitch hardly deserves to be told off for being accurate.
Moyer wrote: ”I couldn't even finish reading that...”
Me neither. And I’m SO darn tired of hearing the whole ”Also, the Christian concept of marriage predates any state-sanctioned licensing program, which means marriage is an inherently religious concept in America”-line... I mean NOT once have I heard these people complain about non-Christian religious marriages (some of which I assume predates a Christian tradition anyway) or even state marriages. No, there everything seems to be ok as separated from that tradition... but add gay to the mixture and ”God” forbid it all. Hypocritical much, I wonder?
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