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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Hey Al, I am married, not blind, and you know George Lucas is my kryptonite.
Dang that almost sounded like a singing line in a rap song. A really bad white person trying to rap, song. LOL
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 29 November 2008 at 11:50am
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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

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The other day, we were ordering Chinese with some friends and I said -- as I always do -- "Dumplings? That's my kryptonite!" and one of the guys said, "Why? Because they make you super-strong?"
Just when you think your references are easily accessible...
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Brian Talley Byrne Robotics Member

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Any Jonesing for Talley is not a "weakness".
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David Ferguson Byrne Robotics Member

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I'm largely okay with jokes -- I understand humor. But I'm not okay with humor at the expense of the other, or cruel humor (which seems to me to be so much of what gay humor is).
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It reminds of a scene in Naked Gun:
Lt. Frank Drebin: Hector Savage. From Detroit. Ex-boxer. His real name was Joey Chicago.
Ed Hocken: Oh, yeah. He fought under the name of Kid Minneapolis.
Nordberg: I saw Kid Minneapolis fight once. In Cincinnati.
Lt. Frank Drebin: No you're thinking of Kid New York. He fought out of Philly.
Ed Hocken: He was killed in the ring in Houston. By Tex Colorado. You know, the Arizona Assassin.
Nordberg: Yeah, from Dakota. I don't remember it was North or South.
Lt. Frank Drebin: North. South Dakota was his brother. From West Virginia.
Ed Hocken: You sure know your boxing.
Lt. Frank Drebin: All I know is never bet on the white guy.
[Nordberg nods in agreement]
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member

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HBO had Sweeney Todd on recently. I'd never seen it before
and was looking forward to seeing it. ... So I was disappointed. Has anyone else seen it?
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I was lucky enough to see the original show back in 1979 with iron-lunged Len Cariou and the unstoppably great Angela Landsbury, and it was spectacular. This Burton film version was -- not. It was horrible. Depp was goofy and un-scary, and H.B.Carter a burned-out Goth-chick, and they both garble-whisper-mumbled both lines and songs, and they were just awful. Yes, to see Cariou and Landsbury will spoil you, but this pair was SO incredibly wrong for the roles, I can't fathom the casting. YEESH.
Nothing in the film worked for me (least of all the CGI-heavy stuff that looked like a video game), except the young boy (too young for the role, in fact) who played Toby -- practically the only singer in a musical film[!] -- and, yes Sascha Cohen, who gave a nearly perfect performance and sang REALLY well!
[Hunt down a clip of Landsbury doing "The Worst Pies In London," and THEN you will see greatness!]
Edited by Michael Penn on 29 November 2008 at 7:38pm
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Brian Talley Byrne Robotics Member

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* But I don't think it is unfair to make fun of Talley for his Elizabeth Banks weakness. :0)
A man has to have his fantasy/dream, not matter how outlandish and unlikely it is to come true.
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Steve D Swanson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 04 May 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1374
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To be fair to Mel Brooks, the reliance on the derogatory gay jokes may just be because he knows they will get a laugh and he tends to use the same kinds of jokes over and over again. That's why I had no problem with the introduction of Roger and his entourage (and it was helped by the really catchy song), but the Hitler bit seemed like it could be insulting.
A lot of the gay guys that I've met do tend to fall into a stereotypical pattern of behaviour and I wonder why that is? To let others know they are gay and not willing to be intimidated into acting like a stereotypical straight man? Or to mock other's expectations by playing up their gayness? Or is it just that that kind of behaviour is just fun?
Though a part of me wonders if those guys look around, see all the straights have left the room and then say; "How 'bout them jets," while downing a beer and farting.
Limits on behaviour always kind of amuses me, for example I would sing Good Morning (from Singin' in the Rain) to people and it would normally get a laugh, and every now and then someone would join in if they knew the song. It was fun, why would I not want to have fun? I love to sing in the car and some people find that amusing (me wailing away and headbanging and whatnot like that) and others have rolled down their windows and sang along. I've been in department stores and a good song gets played and I can't help but throw out a few dance steps. Because it's fun. Sure, I get some strange looks and some laughter, but if I amused someone and had some fun I figure the day was a win.
Or, I'm just a big geek.
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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

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[Hunt down a clip of Landsbury doing "The Worst Pies In London," and THEN you will see greatness!]
Boy, you aren't just whistling "Dixie" there, Michael! I've only seen that cast on videotape -- and even THAT was incredible. I couldn't imagine seeing them live!
The only Sondheim I've been lucky enough to see with the original cast was SUNDAY IN THE PARK WITH GEORGE -- and that was totally by accident! I was with some non-theatre friends and none of us knew what we were seeing. Sitting there completely blown away, I was literally SOBBING in the second act and my friends were all like, "What's WRONG with you?" "What the hell is this play supposed to be about?" "Wait... she's his GRANDMOTHER now?"
As Byrne would say, "Civilians..."
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Guests Byrne Robotics Visitor
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Or, I'm just a big geek.
Great stories about singing in the car and dancing in the mall, Steve !
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member

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Tom, I'm telling you, man... my seeing the OBC of "Sweeney Todd" will forever be one of my great memories -- THAT is how unimaginably spectacular it was.
Landsbury transcended the craft in that role and became a freakin' MUSE.
And, although later George Hearn did excellent work as the title character, the original as played by Len Cariou was just beyond scary. And his voice! Like getting punched in the chest by a fist of steel!
But the whole production was bone-chillingly amazing. I'm not sure they could ever effectively reproduce it on film, because having the living actors among the real sets engage in such a dark, grim, bloody subject matter became something so visceral that it threatened to call up the spirits ancient Dionysiac rites. At key moments of heightened tension, a screaming whistle would sound and the entire theater would just JUMP out of their seats. [I only ever saw something comparable when I first saw JAWS in the original release in 1975.] Not a soul in the "Sweeney" audience wasn't absolutely terrified.
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Joakim Jahlmar Byrne Robotics Member

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Tom wrote: ”But I'm not okay with humor at the expense of the other, or cruel humor (which seems to me to be so much of what gay humor is).”
I agree, with some exception... and that would be satire, which strictly speaking is at the expense of somebody else and can be quite cruel. BUT, and this is one darn important but, historically speaking, satire functions best (as satire and as humour) when it is aimed at power in different guises. As such, the laughter comes at the expense of the party wielding power (and no not political party), which by positioning becomes a legitimate target. An underdog striking upwards at the belly of power in short.
However, any time morons try to use satire from an upper perspective, effectively deriding a lower ranked position, it only becomes deriding and an abuse of power tantamount to harassment, rather than the oppoistion to power it has a proud heritage of being.
Jodi wrote: ”Hey Al, I am married, not blind, and you know George Lucas is my kryptonite.”
Well, you do know that Brian only LOOKS like GL, right? So strictly speaking he isn’t your kryptonite, he just looks like it. Surely that can’t have the same kryptonitic qualities.
Tom wrote: ”The other day, we were ordering Chinese with some friends and I said -- as I always do -- ’Dumplings? That's my kryptonite!’ and one of the guys said, ’Why? Because they make you super-strong?’
Just when you think your references are easily accessible...”
LOL Seriously funny that.
Albeit in a sad kind of way.
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Guests Byrne Robotics Visitor
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However, any time morons try to use satire from an upper perspective . . . .
Another thought provoking post from the Mighty Wha-keem ! Well stated !
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