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Kevin Hagerman
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Posted: 26 November 2008 at 6:29am | IP Logged | 1  

My problem with Chicago is that it was clearly supposed to be sexy and as a result I found it negative-sexy.  It was like: here's what someone who hates women thinks sexy women are like.  Yick.

Although one has to marvel at the process of transforming Catherine Zeta-Jones-Hagerman into an unsexy woman.

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Posted: 26 November 2008 at 6:35am | IP Logged | 2  

I think the stage-version of CHICAGO works much better than the movie -- though I didn't mind the movie, just that the genre works best on-stage.  Also, the stage show was in the mid-70's, a different era and attitude about the empowered woman -- plus, Bob Fosse was ALL THE RAGE!  If the movie had been made in the mid-70's, as it probably should have been, you'd probably enjoy it a lot more, Kevin.
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Tom French
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Posted: 26 November 2008 at 6:38am | IP Logged | 3  

WHY do people sing in musicals?

I got so involved in exposition, I forgot to answer my own thesis question.  Here's the answer:  when a character is too excited or emotional to continue talking, they sing.  When a character's energy is so great that it tops "singing", the characters dance.

Speak -- Sing -- Dance  <- the heirarchy of excitement in a musical



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Al Cook
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Posted: 26 November 2008 at 7:32am | IP Logged | 4  

Speak --> Sing --> Dance --> Dance Naked.


There. Now we're talking.
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Donald Miller
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Posted: 26 November 2008 at 8:01am | IP Logged | 5  

Speak --> Sing --> Dance --> Dance Naked-->Break out the Jell-o.

Sounds like a Friday night at my house...(you know the kids go to grandma's house)

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Tom French
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Speak --> Sing --> Dance --> Dance Naked.

Been done.  HAIR (1967).  OH, CALCUTTA! (1972). 

Enough naked hippies could curb your desire...

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Posted: 26 November 2008 at 8:30am | IP Logged | 7  

WHY do people sing in musicals?

Tom -

I'm not sure if by musicals you mean only stage plays (like on Broadway) or musicals that are filmed and turned into movies.  In any case, I really enjoy Julie Andrews, from her many movies, but especially in her role in Thoroughly Modern Millie.  I've probably seen that movie twenty times, most of those with my mom growing up.  My mom loved the "movie musicals" especially with Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers.  Now those two can dance !  But back to Andrews/Millie: I recently had the opportunity to watch that movie with my wife.  It was her first time, and she loved it !  Carol Channing is just priceless !  Raspberries !  I'm a jazz baby !  The entire movie is non-stop fun !  Have you seen it?

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Ed!!! Good to see your pink Chesire Cat face around here again!!! I've missed
you... sorry to hear about the job loss. Keep your head up, and enjoy the
holiday for what it's worth. I might be making the trip to NY for X-Mas. I will
let you know. I'd love to finally meet you!

Tom... South Park just did a funny episode about HSM. They don't really
bash it as much as you'd think they would. Those guys never run out of
topics!
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Juan Jose Colin Arciniega
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Posted: 26 November 2008 at 9:23am | IP Logged | 9  

You won't see me so near to DHSM!...Never in this life!

What????....Ed, i'm sorry to read about your job loss...Don't be sad or disappointed, this are difficult times for everyone...when you can, please drop me a message, you know that i'm always available to you!
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Michael Penn
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...when a character is too excited or emotional to continue talking, they sing.

*****

One of my favorite movie moments is when, in GHOSTBUSTERS, Bill Murray's characer is feelin' pretty inspired and the music underneath him begins to swell and he sort of half sings his lines, as if he's about to break out into song -- but of course, he doesn't.

For whatever reasons, Ray, call it... fate, call it luck, call it karma...

Worthy of Sondheim!

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Joakim Jahlmar
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Posted: 26 November 2008 at 10:20am | IP Logged | 11  

Playing catch up yet again...

Geoff wrote:
”You already have a name nickname ’Wha-Keem’ -- though I think with your quoting skills ’Bartlett’ might be an apropros nickname too!”

The Mighty One accumulates nicknames like cow dung attracts flies. Heck there are three primary ones just in the signature. ;)

So, which particular Bartlett are we at concerning quoting skills? Are we talking Jed? Because if that’s so I’d be mighty flattered... and if not, I’d be mighty lost, reference wise.

Moyer wrote:
”You crack me up Joakim!!!”

Just like one cracks a pumpkin open, right? ;)
Seriously though, I’m happy to know I’m doing my job right and proper, and cracking you and the rest of the guys up on occasion is part of the job decsription. ;)

Geoff wrote:
”Jodi Christened me Atticus.  Most just call me asshole.”

Hey, I thought that last one was Al’s. ;)

Hagerman wrote:
”I would like to claim Hammerhead if it's a possiblilty.”

I thought Al had given you that one looooong ago already. Or maybe you just earned it, what do I know. ;)

Juan wrote:
”My friends calls me ’J.J.’, in English or Spanish pronunciation!”

As my signature proclaims, I’m definitely a JJ (in English primarily) as well, in several circles. The added 3 in the included nick comes from a time when I was active on the band Arena’s mailinglist where at that time I was the third JJ to enter the list; the first being the bassplayer at the time, John Jowitt, and the second a Dutch guy named Jan-Jaap. There’s a nice photo from a gig in Holland with the three of us together.

Geoff wrote:
”Nicknames are not claimed -- they are provided.”

Both ways work, Geoff... as long as you get some people to go along with you on it. ;)

Hammerhead wrote:
”A Genesis or Monty Python reference would fit me very well.  The pale thing - who knows?  I created a City of Heroes character named Goth Stalker once...”

I’m guessing Moonlit Knight would be too long. Maybe we’ll just call ya Squonk.

Tom wrote:
”I'm back, and better than ever!”

Well it hasn’t been the same without you, Tom. Good to have you back.

Al wrote:
”This nickname thing is all well and good, btw, but I steadfastly refuse to call Hagerman any thing other than Hammerhead.”

You just called him Hagerman.  ;>

Tom wrote:
”*AESOP -- better make that official, TOM FRENCH'S AESOP sold very well, thank you, but hardly sell-out crowds like HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL brought in.”

Yeah, but quantative audience isn’t everything, Tom. If I’d have that choice, I go for Tom French’s Aesop every time.

Ed wrote:
”Gosh, 164 pages and this gay will never catch up.

What's the topic now?”

Pleasantries and casual bantering, I think. :)

Al wrote:
”Speak --> Sing --> Dance --> Dance Naked.

There. Now we're talking.”

I want to watch the musicals Al’s watching.
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Geoff Gibson
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Posted: 26 November 2008 at 10:36am | IP Logged | 12  

I want to watch the musicals Al’s watching

But you'd have to be naked to do that!

As for the name "Bartlett" I too thought of that fine fictional president but what I was really refering to was this.

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