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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 07 January 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4154
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| Posted: 07 October 2008 at 6:18am | IP Logged | 1
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...and as soon as I can find the time I will scan and post some more.
Well, you had that eight hours when you were sleeping, plus the twenty or so seconds it took you to post on this thread. C'mon man, we're hungry and impatient!!!!
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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| Posted: 07 October 2008 at 7:38am | IP Logged | 2
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I felt like doing something slightly different this moring if you all will indulge me -- but I had a little self awareness this morning to go with a cup of joe. I posted it here because of the homeyness and warmth in this thread (which is a testament to Tom I suspect and the regular posters).
I was driving into work having dropped off my kids at their respective day cares when my iPod played "Daily Records" a cut from The Who's Face Dances album. This got me to thinking how of late, later era Who music has been speaking more to me than earlier stuff. And I realized its because much of its a guy my age (at the time the tunes were written) lamenting getting older.
Now, I'm not generally very into navel gazing but sometimes it happens. You wake up and you feel older and you wonder what happened. That kid you were is still there somewhere but you don't think he'd recognize himself in you as you want to grab back some of his excitement and passion. Thats not to say I don't love my life, I really do. I got a great family. I love my wife. I love my kids. I wouldn't trade them to go back to being that kid -- but sometimes I miss the irresponsibility of youth and the accompanying excitement of that irresponsibility. I miss the recklessness. And I even miss the young man frustration that comes with being 20ish. With problems like trying to get laid or have enough money to buy beer. That wonderful selfish passion at that age -- be it lust for a girl or passion for an idea that seems to dim with the onset of mortgages and daycare and following investments.
I'm not old, I'll be 35 in a month* and I enjoy the stability of my life now, I enjoy most of my domestication, but sometimes I feel restrained. And I wonder, is that part of the maturation process? As the man said "you can't pretend that getting older never hurt."
Just my ruminations this morning! Good thing I didn't hear a Pink Floyd song!
* I know my bones aren't even hard yet but they got pills for that (had to give Tom a pun for bogarting his thread with my mastubatory lament)!
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Moyer Hall Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 09 August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1135
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I definitely feel your pain Geoff! I don't have kids or a mortgage (even
though I would love to own a house) but I miss just having fun. It seems to
be so rare these days for me. My partner is a few years older than me, so I
know that's part of it, but I miss my freedom more and more.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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Funny enough Moyer its not pain! It sort of a wistfullness! I'm the luckiest guy in the world, I am truly blessed, I know all that. So I am by no means ungrateful for what I have. As I say its just a realization that I am getting older -- I look at my four year old and I can see her at 16 already and I'm looking forward to that but I know when she is 16 I'm going to miss that four year old!
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Wayne K Purdy Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 07 August 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 844
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I know exactly what you mean Geoff, I turned 35 in June an have held the same sort of nostalgic views for awhile. With 2 kids, a pregnant wife, a job search and a mortgage I couldn't be more 'grown up' if I tried. Gone are the days when my time belonged to only me. My weekends are spent at ballet lessons or swim classes. I rarely can even sit through an entire hockey game now. I wouldn't change it though, I have a wonderful life
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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 07 January 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4154
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| Posted: 07 October 2008 at 8:50am | IP Logged | 6
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But I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I'm still the same me, even though I'm older. You know how you sometimes think, "I wish I could go back and do it all again, knowing what I know now...?" Well, I would never want to do that. What happened to me in those times -- with that insane amount of ignorance -- made me the man I am now. I mean, changing the outcome of certain situations might look good on appearance level, but that would substantially alter the lessons I took away from those moments.
I don't miss hunting for cock (pardon, Geoff -- had to make it "work" for me) or beer (or pot, as the case may be), just as I know when I'm in the next chapter of my life, I'll look back fondly on this one. Rose-colored glasses? Perhaps, but there it is.
Life keeps getting better as we get older and more canny. It's just our bodies that give up the ghost.
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 03 February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 3597
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Morning all...
Geoff, Wayne, Moyer, Tom, and everyone else that follows the thread, I am right there with you guys. I just recently turned 40. I just recently became a grandfather, or Poppi as I prefer to called. My wife is always, ALWAYS busy, grading papers, working on Graduate course work, or writing her own book. This leaves a large amount of daily grind work to me. Don't get me wrong, my wife is sacrificing a lot to bring in funds for the family and I don't mind working hard either...
But there are days when I miss the ability to just up and decide to go fart around and go dancing or whatever. I do miss being younger, but, I look at my oldest daughter nursing my grandchild, and I wouldn't give that up for anything...I am so wrapped around her tiny fingers.
Cheers, Don
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Victor Manuel Fernandez Patiño Byrne Robotics Member

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Ahhh... Nice drift...
Now that I'm 40, I'm still waiting to feel old.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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(pardon, Geoff -- had to make it "work" for me)
No need my friend! We were both hunters just looking for a different kind of prey!
What happened to me in those times -- with that insane amount of ignorance -- made me the man I am now. I mean, changing the outcome of certain situations might look good on appearance level, but that would substantially alter the lessons I took away from those moments.
100% agree -- which is why I felt so self-indulgent posting what I did but I had a demon that needed expressing. As I said I would not trade places with the kid I was but I do sometimes envy (and miss) his freedoms. I do look back at him fondly. I hope he'd like what he's become (I'm not so sure about that but he had a lot of growing up to do).
FYI -- Tom bears noting -- the man you are today -- as far as I can tell -- is a pretty bloody good one!
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Juan Jose Colin Arciniega Byrne Robotics Member

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Today is our Anniversary....and my partner is not here. We have been in touch, but i would like him to here. It feels so good to have someone in your life.
I think that i agree with Tom.As we get older, we gotta learn from the lesson that life throws at us.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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| Posted: 07 October 2008 at 9:13am | IP Logged | 11
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Here are the Lyrics that got me started on these thoughts:
Daily Records Pete Townshend
This could be suffering This could be pleasure I'm unaware of any difference My head is aging My balls are aching But I'm not looking for deliverence
This could be letting on This could be highly cut I'm unaware of ~any difference One says it can't be done Then somebody does it - but I'm not watching for equivalents.
I just don't quite know how to wear my hair no more No sooner cut it than they cut it even more Got to admit that I created private worlds But cold sex and booze don't impress my little girls
Daily records Just want to be making daily records Try to avoid the bad news in the letters Just wanna be making records Play in - play out - fade in - fade out Making records day in - day out
And they say it's just a stage in life But I know by now the problem is a stage And they say just take your time and it'll go away But I know by now I'm never gonna change
I could be losing you I could be coming through I'm unaware of any difference You still support me now You love me anyhow And I am still under your influence
We've had some years of hate But now we're in the eights I'm unaware of any difference I need you even more My money keeps me poor I'm still amazed at your omnipotence
I look at baggy suits and leather capped with puke I look at Richmond married couples denim look I watch my kids grow up and ridicule the bunch~ When you are eleven the whole world's out to lunch
Daily records Just wanna keep making daily records Can't exist no more in chains and fetters Just wanna keep making records Play in - play out - fade in - fade out Making records day in - day out
Just wanna be making daily records.
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Tiago Tavares Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 November 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 125
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"I wish I could go back and do it all again, knowing what I know now...?" seems to pop up now and again in my thoughts too.
I know we're a product of the decisions we make in our lives, but sometimes I really wish for a DeLorean. Maybe I wouldn't change a thing, but I would at least tell 'young me' to enjoy myself (himself?) more… Don't sweat the little details and enjoy the ride.
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