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Juan Jose Colin Arciniega
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Posted: 29 September 2008 at 5:11pm | IP Logged | 1  

I'll post pics on Facebook!
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Posted: 29 September 2008 at 5:13pm | IP Logged | 2  

Tom wrote:
"Superstar is a fairly good album -- parts of it, I really love to sing Judas' mad scene while riding late at night in my car -- but a LOUSY show.  Lloyd Webber, as a "composer," lacks not only technical skill (his transitions and key changes go against all kinds of theory rules and practices) but there's little musical growth and development throughout the course of the piece. Mostly just ENDLESS repetitions of the same undeveloped motives."

Have to confess that I REALLY enjoyed the staging of it that I saw in London back in '97. It really had me and Ramon Tikkaram (whom I'd previously seen in the excellent British TV-series This Life) was an awesome Judas (which incidentally is my favourite part).

Tom also wrote:
"CHESS is one of my favorite compilation of songs by the ABBA boys, but they've yet to find a plot to make the show work.  They've re-written it several times.  The American version is much better than the British version, but still, the plot is dense and unclear.  There's nobody to LIKE in the show!  All four major characters are flawed and unsympathetic."

While, I've never seen Chess properly performed (only ever seen a concert version), I have to disagree with you a bit on the characters. I've always been sucked in by the Russian. He's not sympathetic perhaps, but there are elements of artistic drives that I (or perhaps more accurately a younger me) can recognise. Incidentally, I think it's a similar drive to the one King's gunsliger Roland of Gilead has, another character which speaks to me (primarily through my younger self).

More Tom:
"My argument, Wha-Keem, is not that rock music is incapable of advancing plot and character, just that rock music -- as a genre -- is different than theatrical music, without many of the same considerations.  That's not to say there aren't rock shows that 'work,' but just that choosing rock to pander to the audience is not a good choice.

Have I mentioned yet that I'm a bit of a theatre snob?
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LOL
You may have...  but, then again, you're talking to a fan of progressive rock, so maybe I'm just a different kind of music snob. ;)
Seriously though, I've always enjoyed having my platter varied (whether it's music, theatre, film, comics, paintings or books)... there are good dishes on most levels, and bad dishes too. So I prefer the variety in combination with having the good bits.   And I probably ought to get myself some of your influences on CD and dig into that too. :)

Even more Tom:
"And here we get into the idea of which comes first, chicken or egg?  I'm a FIRM believer in lyrics BEFORE music!  Lyrics inspire the tune, not the other way around.  I've had composers approach me with motives -- or 'hooks' -- that they're looking to fill, and that's one thing.  But to have an entirely composed piece that one 'fits' lyrics to is against everything I've been taught."

Well, speaking as one who's probably worked more the other way around, I have to say that it can be equally interesting process. It's also helped me to write lyrics which are musically speaking better, even when I'm writing them first. Having done it more the other way around allows me to have a stricter approach to embedding musicality in those lyrics than I'd done previously, when words, plot and storytelling would probably have more of my attention than anything even similar to the notion of musicality. And I have learned that if I can a hum a set of lyrics when I write them, even if the composer's melody doesn't even resemble the one I hummed, the fact that it was hummable in the first place makes it sharper.  Incidentally, two of the songs which I did write lyrics to first ("Tired of Tears" and "Sunrise", both available at my friend's webpage if you've had a chance to visit it yet, Tom) are also among my favourites of our collaborations.
But then again, I'm also rather fond of "Dream Song # X" which I don't think I ever would have done if I'd not heard his "silly" music (and the nonsense lyrics he'd done so that I'd grasp the song melody).

And welcome back, Juan!
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"a fan of progressive rock"

Then howcum we never see you in the Rush and Genesis threads, Joakim?
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Posted: 29 September 2008 at 5:48pm | IP Logged | 4  

 I've always been sucked in by the Russian. He's not sympathetic perhaps, but there are elements of artistic drives that I (or perhaps more accurately a younger me) can recognise.

I hear you.  Still, in order for an audience to "enter" the show, they have to sympathize with someone.  Certainly, you can't sympathize with the American, the protagonist, arrogant bastard that he is, and the women are no better -- although I believe we feel for the Russian's wife -- but not enough to carry a show.  Some great tunes, I'll grant you, but not much of a show.

I HAVE looked at your web site, although not enough to do more than just offer an opinion, not a critique.  I like your stuff.  I want to offer you a deeper criticism, so hang tight babe.

 

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Posted: 29 September 2008 at 6:00pm | IP Logged | 5  

Okay, since I'm doing all the bitching, here's some lyrics from AESOP that I wrote this summer, to give you all a chance to get even -- lol.  This is the fable of the Jackdaw and the Peacock (a jackdaw is a small crow).  This song is an uptempo counrty two-step, the kind of thing you'd hear on Garrison Keillor's show.

                                            FEMALE ANIMALS
EV'RYONE'S IN LOVE WITH THE PEACOCK
EV'RYONE'S IN LOVE WITH THAT BIRD
A FULLY BLOOMING MALE

                                                JACKDAW
AND BABY HE'S GOT TAIL!

                                           FEMALE ANIMALS
AS HALE AND HOT AND HUNKY AS YOU'VE HEARD!

YES, EV'RYONE'S IN LOVE WITH THE PEACOCK
WHETHER THEY BE FEATHERED OF FURRED
HE GIVES HIS REAR A TWIST
AND NO ONE CAN RESIST
THAT HYPNOTIC TAIL HAS GOT OUR VISION BLURRED!

   (Jackdaw puts on fake peacock tail and struts, trying to attract attention.)

DON'T LOOK NOW, BUT CHECK OUT THAT SILLY JACKDAW
LOOK HOW FAR SHE'LL GO JUST TO CATCH HIS EYE
NO SURPRISE THAT HER LAME DISGUISE HAS ONE FLAW

                                                PEACOCK
JACKDAW... NOTHING THAT YOU WEAR CHANGES WHAT'S INSIDE!

                                         FEMALE ANIMALS
IF YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH A PEACOCK
THEN YOU VALUE LOOKS OVER WEALTH
NO OWL OR TURTLEDOVE
NO, NONE OF THE ABOVE
CAUSE THE PEACOCK'S ONLY LOVE.... IS HIMSELF!
(THE PEACOCK LOVES HIMSELF!)

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Posted: 29 September 2008 at 9:15pm | IP Logged | 6  

That was really cute, well done Tom!

Welcome back Juan

 



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I like most musicals and have no real preference, the only thing I absolutely can't stand is the conversation song. Two characters are having a conversation, it isn't very interesting, and because it's a song it is also somewhat repetitive. The music doesn't flow very well, the conversation is strained and most of the time I just feel the songwriters are showing off their skills instead of serving the play.

I'm sure it's been done well but every time I see it in a show I just cringe.

And I don't know who did the music but Singing in the Rain is by far my favorite musical with three of my favorite songs from any musical (Singin' in the rain, Good Morning, Make 'em Laugh), the only song I didn't like was the one Gene sings in a weird Parisian street scene, not a memorable or catchy song and I feel it brings the movie to a standstill for five minutes for no good reason.

Not-traditional musicals are awesome too (movies that are created around and about music but the music isn't there to advance the plot, it's what the plot is about). La Bamba, Dirty Dancing, but my all time favorite (and all time favorite movie) is The Five Heartbeats.

Oh, and I like the songs Phantom of the Opera and Music of the Night and since the show isn't all that good I don't mind that the show stops for those two numbers. Perhaps better as pop songs though.

Chess? Is that the one with the eighties hit? I think it went; One night in bangkok make the whole world tremble... or some such.

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One night in bangkok...

Steve, yes, that's from CHESS.  One of the unique things about "Bangkok" was that song was written and released before the rest of the show was written.  The proceeds from that song were used to finance the production of the show.  Kind of fascinating, isn't it?  Unfortunately, that song was completely out of character for the rest of the show and sticks out like a sore thumb during the First Act.

PHANTOM -- another Andrew Lloyed Webber travesty -- was from the era of the Over-Produced Musical, where the set was more important than the plot.  Although I liked LES MIS -- especially the scaled-down road tour -- it suffered from the same extravegances. (sp?)



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Tom:

Love the lyrics -- the interplay is fantastic.  I love it.  You have a gift my friend!

Wha-Keem:

Not sure how I could help you "hear" the melody. I don't have it recorded and don't have the means (or time) to record it now.  The guitar chord progression was fairly simple straight ahead rock music (the best kind!): A5, E5, F#, D5 is the verse; B minor, A, Asus, A is the chorus and the bridge was F#Minor, Emajor (really E5) and D, then repeated E back to the verse for the third verse.  Does that make any sense?  I wrote the number when I was 20-21.  At that point I liked it when my guitar could sound like a machine gun, repetitive strumming, a lot of power chords and the like.  In the verse, I always like playing the Root note and the 5th note rather than adding the minor third* for a "heavier" sound and so that the chorus was "brighter" when I played the full chords.

If I were playing in bands now I might try the number in an open tuning.  I think Open G would probably work well (always works well for my Avatar!)

*I would, and do, play around with it though.  I played it a few times playing the root and the minor 3rd without the 5th.  I abandonded this form because I found it harder to sing and play at the same time.  The Minor 3rd chord was formed, for those scoring at home, A, C#, A.  Played on a guitar the form of the chord was: the A note on the 5th fret of the low E string, the C# on the 4th fret of the A string and the A on the 7th fret of the D string.  Gave the number an interesting bounce.  Confused yet?



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Milkman's Daughter

Every day I look out my window,
I see the Milkman
He is walkin' and deliverin'
He doesn't even know that I want to date his daughter,
Or he'd stop me,
and tell me not to bother.
He's the type of guy that doesn't like my kind
If he saw me with his daughter he'd whup my hide
But she's the hippest girl of all time
and from her wink I know our poems rhyme.

Chorus
She's the Milkman's daughter and she's do fine,
I've got to get near her an make her mine.
I really have to have her have her for all time
got to near her and make her mine

Then one day I walked out my door.
I saw the milkman
He was walkin' and deliverin'
I took a breath invited him to dinner,
he said "Sure, and you can meet my daughter."
I'm so glad now, that I met her,
My life is so good and in now could be better...........

And here my memory peters out as I am at work and can neither listen to, noe look up the missing end of the song.

This is from my days in a band
Macy's Vortex  I was lead singer.

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Juan Jose Colin Arciniega
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Posted: 30 September 2008 at 8:34am | IP Logged | 11  

Thanks Jodi!...It's nice to be back in Mexico City!
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Good Decision out of Montana State court regarding a same sex partner's rights to adopted children.
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