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Al wrote: "I forgot to invite you?!?
Now that's two things that have deeply shamed me in this thread in the last couple of days."
Yup.
The Mighty Wha-keem forgotten, only the myths now remain. He tried to be funny not rotten, but all that he'd done was in vain.
'Cause Al the Canadian wonder could no longer remember that name. But where Al was sitting yonder too deep for words was his shame.
;)
Geoff wrote (to Tom really, but here I go meddling and adding opinions...): "How important is sing-a-bility? I suspect, based on your tastes, you place it pretty high on the list."
Regardless of WHAT type of music you're writing lyrics for, singability has to be a factor (sure music experimenting with spoken sections etc may be excused from "singability" in the strictest sense, but there still needs to be something there to work with the melody, rhythms, time, etc). Something I kind of learned the hard way, working on occasion with a musician who writes nice pop-rock type music (and has a good voice which is always nice for a lyricist). Normally (though not always) he writes the song first and then I either work upon lyrics with him or on my own, but there is always a set of "nonsense" lyrics at least to give a chance to absorb the song melody properly. In the beginning of our collaborations, I unfailingly sat down and counted syllables in his nonsense lyrics and wrote my stuff after that count, which caused plenty of rewrites to reach singability in many cases. These days I sit and listen to the song on a CDR, have the nonsense lyrics as measure before my eye, but rely much more heavily on listening to whether my new set of lyrics can be sung along with the CDR. Regardless of whether or not anyone likes my lyrics or not (and I've obviously reached at least a few people who appreciated them), I can honestly say that I've definitely improved when it comes to singability. That type of rewrite is much smaller these days (though it was in all honesty quite a while since I last sat down and worked on that). Ah well, enough of me...
Tom wrote (on rock inspired musicals): "Mixed feelings. Anything that gets people into the theatre is good, I suppose. But the problem with rock music is that it's not THEATRICAL music. A song must advance the plot OR give us insight into the emotional center of the character. Generally, rock music is not complex, well-developed music -- it's usually VERY simple, both structurally and harmonically. It takes no great skill to listen to it. (One of the reasons cretins like Andrew Lloyd Webber are so popular amongst 'common' people, but so hated among the knowledgable. I know that sounds elitist, but there it is.)"
Well, first off I have to 'fess up and admit that I'm very badly versed in the music of your influences, Tom. I probably know more of that music than I know of by name, but I'd still venture it's a particular musical area I've not ventured far into... as of yet. That said I would take argument with rock music not being able to carry plot or provide insights into the emotional centre of a character, especially since I'm a big fan of progressive rock and concept albums... and the very notion of using songs for the purpose of storytelling. And would you argue that everything theatrical is complex and requiring skill? Anyway, I think both Jesus Christ Superstar (one of my all time retelling of the Christ story) and Chess has a lot of plot advancement and insight into emotional centres of characters.
And Geoff... you've got me curious as to how the lyrics sound when sung. After all, the notion of singability also affects lyrics in a fashion which, at least to my mind, means that matched with the right tune, even something that may look banal on the paper can become a perfect fit. Note 1: of course there are levels here as well. Not every banality can be married off and saved by melody and tune, and good lyrical material tends to strengthen the latter. Though I'd argue that "good" does not HAVE to be original or complex. Note 2: just for the record, I am NOT saying that Geoff's lyrics are banal. I have to agree with both Al and Tom on their quality. That said, I don't find a given inherent melody in the lyrical structure, which isn't necessarily a bad thing either, but it definitely has me interested in hearing how it would sound when sung.
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