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Joe Smith
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this JrJr guy makes it look so easy. But then, he's done it sooooo much.
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Adam Hutchinson
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JB, you were responsible for a few fairly iconic covers with the black costume, and I was just curious what you're feelings about it were?
Theses are the covers that I was thinking of:
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John Byrne
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Not a fan of the black costume.
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Brian Kirk
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Just another reason why Ditko is God.
A lanky-ass teenager in a goofy costume...my favorite!!
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John Byrne
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this JrJr guy makes it look so easy
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Unfortunately the colorist evidently thinks it is coffin lining.
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Dan Avenell
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I love the fact that the 'scallops' change depending on the angle. I noticed this 'cheat' back when I was a kid, and like the fact that Ben Grimm's rock formation is never drawn the same way twice, it's great use of artistic license.
Also, his web-shooters are shown to be quite bulky, but disappear to wrist thickness once in costume. Same with the belt and the rarely used Spider-Signal. And of course his eyes somehow manage to be very expressive - in the cartoons he would sometimes blink when regaining consciousness!
One of the reasons I think Spider-Man is successful is that the webbing design really sells any foreshortening. Once you add that 'mesh' to the bare figure it fair jumps off the page. Lots of characters have gloves, boots and body-describing lines that give a 3-D look. This is why I generally don't like heroes wearing street clothes or all-in-one uniforms like Spider-Man's black costume - it often hurts the dynamism of the art.
Edited by Dan Avenell on 11 March 2008 at 10:16am
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Matt Hawes
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For the past few years, colorists have put these odd little highlights on Spider-Man's webbing in an effort, I guess, to make the webbing look like the movie version of Spider-Man's outfit. Thankfully, that seems to have been a passing thing, as I don't see it done as much anymore.
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Greg Kirkman
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The subtle "nose" and "mouth" in the mask's web-pattern is just a brilliant visual concept. Ditko began using it later in his run, and Romita really perfected it.
And the movie costume cheated the amount of web-lines quite cleverly, I think.
Edited by Greg Kirkman on 11 March 2008 at 10:35am
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Derek Cavin
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Unfortunately the colorist evidently thinks it is coffin lining.
Agreed. On that run, the colorist always added highlights that made Spider-Man's costume look like it was padded.
edited: typOs and grammartical errors
Edited by Derek Cavin on 11 March 2008 at 11:13am
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Stephen Sadowski
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Never noticed the different web direction before...doesnt make any sense to do it that way !
<grumbles...> I aint doin it that way...
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Dan Avenell
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But look at John Romita's yes and no guide... don't you think that the 'correct' way describes the arm in an pleasing way that convinces the eye that each... column... is at a different point on the... er, wristal axis..., while the 'wrong' one looks, as JB says, like coffin lining?
Have there been any Spider-Man artists who didn't keep to this 'secret' style guide?
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Stephen Sadowski
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I'd say MANY.
To have it change direction, mid costume, just doesnt look right to MY eye, anyway.
And what do you do if you have a shot were the forearm meets the elbow? just switch mid arm?
Another of the fakes is where the mask seperates from the neck..theres generally more lines at the neck than there are on the face...discovered THAT little problem recently myself!!
Edited by Stephen Sadowski on 11 March 2008 at 2:14pm
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