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Andy Mokler
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Thanks Ron, that's the DC ad I mentioned upthread. Thanks for the other info too. I may have to track some of that stuff down. I remember Steelgrip Starkey but never read it. I assume it didn't grab me when I flipped through it but we're talking 20 years ago.
I wonder why he didn't do more for DC? Seems like a really good artist. Too slow?
Edit: Isn't it sad that an old man sitting with young kids is a thing of the past. How do dept. store Santas even get work these days?
Edited by Andy Mokler on 27 February 2008 at 4:31pm
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Andy Mokler
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Doing a little research on Weiss(I bolded the part I found interesting):
Alan Weiss was a co-plotter and penciller of several Marvel series in the 1970s and 1980s. He did 'Steelgrip Starkey and the All-Purpose Power Tool' in Epic Comics, as well as 'The Avengers', 'Captain America', 'Spider-Man' and 'Warlock'. Weiss was supposed to do the final 'Warlock' issue (#16), but it never appeared because Weiss forgot his original artwork in a taxi in New York City. In the early 1990s, he was present at DC with 'Batman: The Blue, the Grey and the Bat'. He has also contributed to the underground magazine Big Apple Comix.
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Andrew Hess
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The book "Shazam, from the 40s to the 70s" came out:
Similar to the Superman and Batman volumes that came out in the mid-70s.
This had some of the first "Monster Society of Evil" story in it. For some
reason only a portion of the 20-some-odd part story was reprinted in this
book.
Oddly, even tho I only read this a few months ago, nothing is stuck in my
head about it. Aside from the end of the story, which I won't spoil here.
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Wallace Sellars
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I don't care for the last two issues of the WITH ONE MAGIC WORD... SHAZAM!
series. The change in art and tone was a bad move.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Sadly, the best Captain Marvel stuff (the late 40's/early 50's stuff) is not readily available in reprint form. The Archives only covers the early stuff so far. The Showcase volume is all 70's stuff, which although having nice art (by Beck and Schaffenberger among others) has vastly inferior stories. The Shazam from the 40's to the 70's book is impossible to find at a reasonable price.
Your best bet is to find either the 100-page Super Spectacular issues of Shazam from 1973-74, which had a good amount of classic reprints, or else one of the tabloid Limited Collector's Editions which featured Captain Marvel (there were three, I think). Or, a really cheap intro to the best of Cap is to buy The Smithsonian Book of Comic-Book Comics, an anthology which features "The Plot Against the Universe" from Captain Marvel Adventures #100. This is my all-time favorite Captain Marvel story. The book also features some classic stuff by Kurtzman, Eisner, John Stanley, Walt Kelly, Basil Wolverton, and many others, and can be had used on amazon as cheaply as $3.50.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 27 February 2008 at 5:27pm
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Erik Larsen
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Trevor Giberson wrote:
I've been slowly working up the nerve to pick up
some Golden Age Captain Marvel comics. I'm finding it hard to pull the
trigger because they are pretty expensive, and there's not a lot of
reprinted material out there to find out if I'll like them or not. I've heard it
really got good later in the series, long after the period the Archives
cover.
So, any recommendations for particular issues of Whiz, Captain Marvel
Adventures or Marvel Family I should test the waters with? What books
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Captain Marvel Adventures is the best. The first seven issues are pretty
crappy and have been reprinted in Archive form (the Simon and Kirby
issue was the best of the lot and it looks like it was batted out over a
weekend). Once Otto Binder started writing the book it got gradually
better. There's no definite point where it becomes awesome but the art
gradually goes from Golden Age crude to pretty polished stuff from C.C.
Beck and Pete Costanza. I'd start somewhere around #50 and sample a
few issues. I have most of the run at this point and there are a lot of good
issues in that run.
Whiz Comics contains a lot of non-Marvel stuff. The Captain Marvel
stories in there are pretty uniformly good but they're one per issue
whereas Captain Marvel Adventures is generally four stories. If money is
an issue--Captain Marvel Adventures is a better value.
Marvel Family is good and it gives you a taste of the other Marvel
characters. Each issue has a team up story with all three Marvels plus solo
stories of Captain Marvel, Captain Marvel Jr. and Mary Marvel.
Captain Marvel Jr. has stunning covers early on--but Mac Raboy isn't a
strong storyteller, despite being a terrific artist, and the stories tend to be
more serious in tone.
Mary Marvel tends more toward fantasy. Lots of elves and unicorns and
imaginary things.
Both Wow Comics and Master Comics contains a lot of non-Marvel stuff.
See my comments in regard to Whiz.
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Thomas Moudry
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There was a Shazam! Family Annual just a few short years back. It reprinted
some good stuff.
If you can track down the three Limited Collectors' Edition tabloids featuring
Captain Marvel, they're quite good, too.
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Thomas Moudry
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Here's a like to the Shazam! Family Annual
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Erik Larsen
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I like Alan Weiss' art on SHAZAM but he pretty much tossed out
everything that made Captain Marvel visually unique. His Captain Marvel
looks like every other superhero--which is my beef about most DC
appearances of Captain Marvel, actually.
I mean--why bother? If you're going to change him THAT MUCH--why
not just make up a new guy?
You could call him--I dunno--Marvel Man or Miracleman or Mighty Man
or Good Guy or maybe Prime or something...
Same beef I have about making the Hulk smart, actually--once he
becomes like every other superhero--what is there about him that makes
him unique?
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Eric Smearman
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I loved Don Newton pencils inked by Kurt Schaffenberger in World's Finest.
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Ron Chevrier
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As far as "Modern" Captain Marvel faces go, I thought Rich Buckler's version was the most successful at melding Cap's cartoony and realistic features. Gil Kane was a close second on the DC Comics Presents Annuals, but only because he made everything "his" style, and it somehow integrated perfectly. While I revere Don Newton's Shazam work, his Captain Marvel face had little in common with his more cartoony predecessor, but somehow it still felt like Cap.
As an aside, I think Fawcett's Bulletman series has some fantastic art for its time, much of which still holds up today in my opinion. The stories are fun too.
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John Angelo
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I'm very interested in at least seeing that Monster Society of Evil book
too. It's like a legend!
I may have seen a copy on eBay years ago...
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***I'm finding it hard to pull the trigger because they are pretty
expensive, and there's not a lot of reprinted material out there to find
out if I'll like them or not.***
Trevor Giberson, have you been to this site? Golden Age Comics
You can download GA comics and sample if they're even to your liking.
A lot of the scans are not the best, but the wealth of variety available is
very good. I'm particularly enjoying the Biro stuff and Daredevil comics.
NOTE: the link is not working for me, but I'm hoping it'll eventually be
back up!
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