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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 1:35pm | IP Logged | 1
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That's a valid viewpoint. It's not a practice that I smile on. whether flattery is involved or not.
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Troy Nunis Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4598
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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 3:03pm | IP Logged | 2
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>>Thats what I thought - makes me wonder why some artists bother. Surely by the time youve ploughed thru a dozen comicbooks looking for a shot to rob, you could have just drawn it yourself?<<
this may go back to what JB said a page or three back -- the differance between looking at how someone else solved a certain art problem (which is part of what you can learn from copying - tho' that still should be in a sketchbook, not a published comic) - and finding an image NEAT so you look for a place to make it your own by tracing.
Alan Davis is a great artist who does so much of everything right that it's easy to find alot of his stuff "Neat" - never the less, even if Mr. Perkins found this as a SOLUTION for a problem - he still should have drawn from it, not traced over it as the linework shows he did -- too much else in the image shows he's a capable artist on his own.
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Steve Horn Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 636
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Posted: 02 March 2008 at 11:52am | IP Logged | 3
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I sort of feel like a fool after reading this. For years I held Bob Kane in the same regard as Neal Adams, John Byrne, Jim Aparo, Frank Miller, George Perez and Irv Novick. It's sort of hard reading the Batman Archives Volume One now knowing the art was swiped. At least there is still good story telling by Bill Finger and Garner Fox, but it's still embarassing to be saying all these years that Bob Kane was one of my favorite artists.
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 March 2008 at 5:51pm | IP Logged | 4
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I'm flabbergasted that Maroto is a swiper. His stuff has such a vibracy to it.
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Randy Lahey Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 24 January 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 675
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Posted: 05 March 2008 at 4:14pm | IP Logged | 5
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This is directed towards Erik, as publisher of Image, what would you do if you saw an Image comic that was about to be published and you realized that
1) Panels inside were copied from copyrighted photos (that the artist did not own), for example the cover to last week's People Magazine.
or
2) Panels/poses inside were copied from a Neal Adams issue of Batman.
Would you tell the artist to change it, talk to the person about it or publish it no questions asked or something else?
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Felicity Walker Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 349
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Posted: 05 March 2008 at 9:44pm | IP Logged | 6
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...or for that matter, what if a non-Image artist swiped a cover or page or panel that was the original creation of an Image artist?
I know there have been many parodies of Todd McFarlane’s Spider-Man #1 cover, but that’s deliberate parody; what about true swiping?
Edited by Felicity Walker on 05 March 2008 at 9:45pm
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Erik Larsen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 344
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Posted: 05 March 2008 at 11:16pm | IP Logged | 7
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Randy Lahey wrote:
This is directed towards Erik, as publisher of Image, what would you do if
you saw an Image comic that was about to be published and you realized
that
1) Panels inside were copied from copyrighted photos (that the artist did
not own), for example the cover to last week's People Magazine.
or
2) Panels/poses inside were copied from a Neal Adams issue of Batman.
Would you tell the artist to change it, talk to the person about it or
publish it no questions asked or something else? |
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These are creator-owned books. We may publish them--but ultimately
they belong to the people doing them. I certainly make every effort not to
take on creators whose work is packed with swipes-- but if it turned out
that somebody was doing that--I'd probably tell them to knock it off but
it's really not my book. The creators have a certain amount of autonomy
here. I could say, "Hey, we won't print this" but that may end with them
taking their book elsewhere and that would do us more harm than good.
Luckily, it has not happened.
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Erik Larsen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 344
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Posted: 05 March 2008 at 11:22pm | IP Logged | 8
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Felicity Walker wrote:
...or for that matter, what if a non-Image artist
swiped a cover or page or panel that was the original creation of an Image
artist?
I know there have been many parodies of Todd McFarlane’s Spider-Man #1
cover, but that’s deliberate parody; what about true swiping? |
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It's happened. It's happened to me. I just let it slide. Life's too short.
Years later--they're out of the business and I'm still here. These things tend
to work themselves out.
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Flavio Sapha Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 March 2008 at 7:18am | IP Logged | 9
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I'm flabbergasted that Maroto is a swiper. +++
I´ll join that club.
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Leigh DJ Hunt Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 February 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1570
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Posted: 06 March 2008 at 8:30am | IP Logged | 10
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I noticed a good 3 or 4 homages/swipes of Action Comics #1 on new covers whilst flipping though Preview this week.
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Flavio Sapha Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 March 2008 at 9:34am | IP Logged | 11
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The RISE of homages/swipes amazes me. I was a comic fan for ten years before I knew what the covers of Spider-man #1 or X-Men#1 looked like. Now, they´re re-done every five issues.
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Nathan Greno Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 April 2006 Location: United States Posts: 9154
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Posted: 06 March 2008 at 1:15pm | IP Logged | 12
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Flavio Sapha: The RISE of homages/swipes amazes me. I was a comic fan for ten
years before I knew what the covers of Spider-man #1 or X-Men#1 looked
like. Now, they´re re-done every five issues.
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I agree. Overkill. It was fun when you would spot them every so often in the past.
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