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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 8:12am | IP Logged | 1
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Yet, here they are, line for line doing the same thing. |
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Yeah, using the general pose is one thing but a faithful rendering is the real problem.
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Greg Woronchak Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 8:14am | IP Logged | 2
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yes, he was a well-known swiper
Swiper no swiping!!
(Sorry, watch too much Dora with my daughters <g>...)
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Martin Redmond Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 8:15am | IP Logged | 3
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Well yeah, the Davis Phoenix swipe wouldn't be so bad if he had at least drawn a different light source. I'm gonna back off now cause I think I've made my point enough.
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 8:22am | IP Logged | 4
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Another swipe of Davis (Erik is right, wrong or right, swipes are fun to spot and point out) --
The artist of the Moon Knight piece is Mike Perkins.
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 29 February 2008 at 8:34am
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 8:46am | IP Logged | 5
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Here's an interesting case --
Here's a Jeff Johnson swipe of Davis.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 9:36am | IP Logged | 6
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In my pre-pro days, I became enamored of the work of Esteban Maroto, and copied a lot of his stuff into my own work. Then, one day, I was copying a Joe Kubert figure, and realized it was a Maroto figure I had copied previously -- except the Kubert piece was about 10 years older than the Maroto piece.I went back and looked at the Maroto stuff again, and realized it was wall to wall swipes. A Kubert figure here, a Neal Adams there. Here's an Alan Weiss! I learned that no matter how desperate I imagined myself to be, I must never swipe Maroto, since he was probably swiping somebody else!
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John Byrne
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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 9:37am | IP Logged | 7
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The artist of the Moon Knight piece is Mike Perkins.
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At least he modified it substantially in the final rendering. I have moderately
less problem with that.
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 9:49am | IP Logged | 8
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Should the Moon Knight piece even be considered a swipe? I mean, how many different ways can you draw a "caped urban crime fighter in a crouch" pose?
There are just certain "shots" that are commonplace in superhero comics. Some of them are bound to look similar from time to time.
And not that swiping doesn't happen (we've seen examples in this thread), but sometimes, I wonder if we don't see a swipe where none is intended.
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Knut Robert Knutsen Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 9:51am | IP Logged | 9
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"Should the Moon Knight piece even be considered a swipe? "
Are we looking at the same piece?
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Martin Redmond Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 9:54am | IP Logged | 10
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Bruce, look at the shoulders, all the wrinkles are the same, same lighting everywhere. The cape falls the same way. It's the same picture.
Edit, I skipped the final rendering, but the transitionary drawing is pretty cheap.
Edited by Martin Redmond on 29 February 2008 at 9:56am
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Chris Abel Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 10:10am | IP Logged | 11
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Maybe this will help. The pencils superimposed over the original Batman drawing.
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Jim Muir Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 10:12am | IP Logged | 12
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Because its friday afternoon, and Photoshop was open anyway:
That should clear any confusion up...
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