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Martin Redmond
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| And there's that recent Cable cover that was released. Now, most of this is the colorist going to town, but the underlying figure isn't that bad. |
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The legs seem to be going to town as well. This picture is pretty vile.Kind of like those Philly Subs they're selling at McDonalds.
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John Mietus
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Thorston Brochhaus wrote:
| I have seen some pretty decent and...promissing art from his eraly career on Hawk & Dove. Especially with the inks (don't remeber who did them) |
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Karl Kessel, who reportedly redrew the pages extensively. Since, you know, being a Kubert graduate, Kessel actually knew how to, you know, draw.
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Martin Redmond
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| One thing I'll say about that picture is that Cable carrying around a child with him into battle makes him look like an irresponsible asshole. |
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Dude! I bought the Ramos drawn parts of Messiah Complex. Cable carries the baby like that through the frozen waste lands of Albertalastantartica.
Cable gets surrounded by 40 ninjas carrying automatic riffles aimed point blank at him, he can somehow still protect the baby because he's the alpha white male fantasy.
Edit: Ninjas with machine guns AND extendible limbs no less!
Edited by Martin Redmond on 28 February 2008 at 1:57pm
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Al Cook
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"...but the underlying figure isn't that bad."
And you said that with a straight face!
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 28 February 2008 at 2:16pm | IP Logged | 5
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The same could be said for a young Neal Adams…
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Liefeld compared to Neal Adams now. I must still be asleep and having a
terrible nightmare.
Neal Adams at 24. Do we REALLY want to make that comparison?
(Resist the urge to type "Look! He drew everything SIDEWAYS!")
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Peter Svensson
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You know, that Liefeld reminds me of Alan Davis mixed with Frank Miller, with a touch of Walt Simonson. Definitely has some George Perez in there as well. On, and Eisner!
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Erik Larsen
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Armindo Macieira wrote:
Would you (Image) accept a series submited by
Liefeld (had you not known him)? Some random Joe with art exactly like Rob.
Let's say the script was fine, not brilliant, but fine and also include a couple
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It's hard to erase that part of the brain. It's hard to imagine a world without
Rob since the ripples of his work (and Todd's) have had such a profound
effect on the industry. If there was an equivalent artist with as many
shortcomings and attributes--I wouldn't think so.
Certainly books have been passed on by technically superior artists.
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John Byrne
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Yes -- they all drew on paper!
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Andrew Hess
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He was 24?!?
bloody hell.
I've seen some of Neal Adams work when he was 16 (couple of pages of an
Adam Strange story he did as a sample, IIRC). Even that was really really
good, tho it didn't quite look like "Neal Adams" yet.
When I see stuff like this I have to resist opening a vein.
Thanks, JB.
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Trevor Giberson
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In the Raymond Foster bio I bought recently there is a couple of drawings of women he did at age 12 that'd make many pros weep with shame.
Edited by Trevor Giberson on 28 February 2008 at 2:39pm
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John Byrne
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He was 24?!?
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Yes. I can always figure out Neal's age when he did a job, if I know when
the job was done, because he shares a birthday with my best bud, Gary
Cody, just nine years earlier.
So, when I look at this job he did when he was 33 years younger than I am
now, I can safely assume that in about another 33 years I should just about
catch up to where he was then.
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Armindo Macieira
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Thanks for the honesty, mr. Larsen.
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