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Emery Calame
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Greg Land (or other artists) doing swipes doesn't bother me. Greg Land (or other artists) tracing frames
from movies doesn't bother me, nor does the fact that there are multiple
female characters in different books with the same face down to the hair.
What bothers me about Greg Land is his habit of tracing porn stars and
painting super hero uniforms on them and having them still look EXACTLY
like pornstars in the midle of a scene only wearing super hero
costumes. It's not only tacky but surreal enough to make me stop
enjoying or following what is supposed to be happening in the comics.
Edited by Emery Calame on 20 February 2008 at 10:07am
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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But then again, if someone decides to do another porn/superhero comic, we all know Greg Land is the right man for the job.
Someone should recommend him as the artist for that "Jenna Jameson" series Christina Z is doing. It could be to Greg Land what Daredevil was to Frank Miller.
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Al Cook
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Now that's just creepy.
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Paulo Pereira
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QUOTE:
Greg Land (or other artists) doing swipes doesn't bother me. Greg Land (or other artists) tracing frames from movies doesn't bother me, nor does the fact that there are multiple female characters in different books with the same face down to the hair.
What bothers me about Greg Land is his habit of tracing porn stars and painting super hero uniforms on them and having them still look EXACTLY like pornstars in the midle of a scene only wearing super hero costumes. It's not only tacky but surreal enough to make me stop enjoying or following what is supposed to be happening in the comics. |
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I'm bothered by that as well as the stuff you said you weren't bothered by. I'm also bothered by the poorly drawn hands.
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Gregg Halecki
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I think that there is a certain distinction between using an iconic picture as the basis of another book cover, and using it as the cover of some sort of trade mag or promotional material.
I see the JB FF cover with Ben and Jonny fighting the Mole Man's monster as a homage, where the cover (I think it was Marvel Age?) with JB's face in place of the monster as more of a direct swipe (in my rationale as flawed as it may be), and by swipe I mean it in a very GOOD way.
I guess it could be considered splitting hairs, but if indeed it is properly called a swipe, then it is a PROPER use of a swipe.
On the cover of Amazing Heros or Alter Ego or something it seems to me that an artist is saying "here is my taking an image you are all familiar with and doing my own job on it because I love it as much as you do" where doing a homage in a regular book is more him saying "here is a cover using similarities to an image you are familiar with because I am trying to invoke feelings that are associated with the original picture, or to contrast something that is seemingly similar but very diferent". Of course other times it is an artist (or even an editor that requests the image) trying to get some cheap milage for it's own sake.
Some of the images have gotten almost a life of their own. The iconagraphy of GS X-Men 1 was SO dramatic that the picture itself came to represent more than just the book that it was in front of, but the whole title itself. In this case, it makes plenty of sense that the image be used over again in the context of the various X-universe. Sometimes it is unoriginality, other times it is just a fun little page (like Mighty Mouse).
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Gerry Turnbull
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i was over at Neal Adams site,i was wrong about the Hex cover,twas Ed Hannigan and Mark Texeira
http://www.nealadams.com/DC/hex/hex.html
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Wallace Sellars
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Wow.
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Brendan Howard
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I think the difference between homages and swipes is clear.
When an artist copies another artist's pose or layout on the downlow to solve a drawing problem without crediting the original artist, it's a swipe.
When an artist copies another artist's pose or layout to leverage its fame or to poke fun at it and gives full credit, it's a homage. Sometimes it's not even necessary to give full credit, because the inspiration for the homage is so obvious!
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Scott Nickel
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Crap! Now my joke's blown.
Never mind.
Edited by Scott Nickel on 20 February 2008 at 4:05pm
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Paulo Pereira
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Can someone tell me what this is a homage of?
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Neal Adams' famous X-men cover. Issue 56, I think with the Living Monolith crushing the Logo.
edit (Oh, And it's also an homage of JB's homage with the Dark Phoenix crushing the Logo.)
Edited by Knut Robert Knutsen on 20 February 2008 at 4:25pm
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William Roberge
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Umm....Joke, Yes?
Edit for:This was a post for Paulo
Also edit for: Knut is correct.
Edited by William Roberge on 20 February 2008 at 4:27pm
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