Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login
The John Byrne Forum
Byrne Robotics > The John Byrne Forum << Prev Page of 68 Next >>
Topic: What constitutes a swipe? (Topic Closed Topic Closed) Post ReplyPost New Topic
Author
Message
Andy Mokler
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 20 January 2006
Location: United States
Posts: 2799
Posted: 27 February 2008 at 4:37pm | IP Logged | 1  

I realize Rob could care less what I think by now.  He must have some thick skin to still be in the business.  Deserved or not, he's got to be the king of the criticized.  I suppose it's not too difficult to deal with if you've got a million $.  I have to think about it when I put gas in the car so maybe I'm just trying to put myself in his shoes without all of the circumstances that would go with it.

Chis- thanks for the link to the swipe of the week page.  It's been posted before but I gotta bookmark it this time.

Back to Top profile | search e-mail
 
Al Cook
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 21 December 2004
Posts: 12736
Posted: 27 February 2008 at 5:05pm | IP Logged | 2  

I can't imagine feeling sorry for Rob Liefeld. He made a fortune despite
being shitty at what he did for a living.
Back to Top profile | search
 
JT Molloy
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 19 February 2008
Posts: 2092
Posted: 27 February 2008 at 5:13pm | IP Logged | 3  

Basically.

I love Deadpool, that's about it. Although I don't really owe Rob much for him any more than I owe Bob Kane for my love of Batman.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Martin Redmond
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 27 June 2006
Posts: 3882
Posted: 27 February 2008 at 7:48pm | IP Logged | 4  

This is an example of pure thievery imo. I hate this guy to no end. And it's not just what his entourage (the Bendis mafia) do to protect him. I mean, unless he has some sort of mental disability of course.

For the uninitiated. He does one sketch of a cute girl, then adds purple water color to it followed by some lingerie patterns around it. Photoshops that for 24 pages + a cover and calls it a comic.

In the first one, her handbag became the background...so I guess that sorts of counts as creative... I've added examples of his cutting edge storytelling as a bonus. There's more swipes floating around. He copied a condom ad as well with the same framing ect. He doesn't even bother changing facial features or expressions.

Check the above, the framing is near identical except for the negative space reserved for the logo obviously. It's still the same freaking picture eyebrow for eyebrow, highlight for highlight. Same clothing, same jewelry.

Back to Top profile | search
 
JT Molloy
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 19 February 2008
Posts: 2092
Posted: 27 February 2008 at 8:08pm | IP Logged | 5  

Do digital two color gradients count as "backgrounds"?
Back to Top profile | search
 
Joe Zhang
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 12857
Posted: 27 February 2008 at 8:46pm | IP Logged | 6  

In those swipe examples, the artist couldn't be copying to solve a problem with perspective or storytelling. The figures are just standing in a static pose, being photographed straight-on.

Is his imagination so limited that he can't come up with a picture of a woman looking cool?



Edited by Joe Zhang on 27 February 2008 at 8:47pm
Back to Top profile | search e-mail
 
Steven Cassidy
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 19 February 2008
Posts: 611
Posted: 27 February 2008 at 8:47pm | IP Logged | 7  

Question for Mr Byrne:

Do artists get paid their regular rates when they obviously swipe material (or play homage)?


Back to Top profile | search
 
Brian Mayer
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 14 June 2007
Posts: 216
Posted: 27 February 2008 at 9:28pm | IP Logged | 8  

Lichtenstein deserves credit for what he did in terms of pop art. I could care less if he copied comic book panels or soup cans. In both cases, awareness was brought to the very plain and did have an effect of elevating it into mass consciousness.

My opinion comes from the particular panels Lichtenstein used. If we went back to the original page, or the original book, does anyone really thing Licktenstein was trying to steal the most dynamic panel he could to pass off as art? He was very conscious about his decision. They are plain, and they are meant to be that way. The panels many people would skip over in a comic, he brought out and reminded people that there is are in plainess.

I like his stuff and what he did.

 

Back to Top profile | search
 
Robert Bradley
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 20 September 2006
Location: United States
Posts: 4887
Posted: 27 February 2008 at 10:48pm | IP Logged | 9  

Swipe Hall of Fame

Kevin Mack
Rob Liefeld
Greg Land
David Finch
Mike Mayhew
Todd McFarlane

Bob Kane [lifetime achievement award!]

Back to Top profile | search | www
 
Erik Larsen
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 19 February 2008
Location: United States
Posts: 344
Posted: 27 February 2008 at 10:54pm | IP Logged | 10  

No Rich Buckler?
Back to Top profile | search | www
 
Erik Larsen
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 19 February 2008
Location: United States
Posts: 344
Posted: 27 February 2008 at 11:05pm | IP Logged | 11  

 Steven Cassidy wrote:

I may be wrong -- but Rob can draw on his own talent, right? He hasn't
lifted everything he's ever put on a page, right? I've only ever seen a
couple panels exhibited as RL swipes.


You are correct. Not every panel on every page in a Rob Liefeld comic
book is a swipe. He's drawn entire pages--and entire issues--that are
swipe free. That doesn't mean, of course, that anybody here would call
them pretty--but they do exist.

I still contend that a lot of the appeal of Rob's work to a number of fans
is that he draws comics the way that they would draw comics if they
could draw comics. He emphasizes all of the things a lot of fan art
emphasizes--big hair, big cans, big muscles, and excessive lines in all
the wrong places.
Back to Top profile | search | www
 
Robert Bradley
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 20 September 2006
Location: United States
Posts: 4887
Posted: 27 February 2008 at 11:09pm | IP Logged | 12  

No Rich Buckler?

but, but, but....... I like Rich Buckler!

;)

Back to Top profile | search | www
 

<< Prev Page of 68 Next >>
  Post ReplyPost New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

 Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login