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Troy Nunis Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4598
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 7:20pm | IP Logged | 1
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Possible, tho' if comminsioner is sent an image by JB to approve or disaprove the commision, posting it online had no barring -- they have what they need to do this sort of thing right there. Posting it online simply establishes a time record of when JB did the images originally so it is at least provable that these copies are indeed copies.
Beyond that, in cases like this you would hope a word of mouth about this guy gets around so other freelancers don't risk taking commisions from him.
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Brad Hague Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 7:22pm | IP Logged | 2
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I can see that if the commissioner thought that they were receiving an average/common rendition of Mar-Vell with the Nega bands and the energy blasts coming from the hands like in the majority of his illustrations, that the buyer might be very upset with the drawing and not want it.
However, because JB was clear about it being the Adams/Avengers depiction of Mar-Vell from the beginning as JB described, the rejection of this commission is completely out of line and to have it altered on top of it would be the final insult.
My first thought at seeing the swiped piece: Nelson. Bad me.
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Glenn Brown Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 7:22pm | IP Logged | 3
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OK...in no way am I defending the action of tracing off John's commission as a means of skipping out of paying John...many of you know I, too, am a professional illustrator and therefore can relate to this issue a bit closer, perhaps, than a non-artist...
...but in the interest of debate, how is this different than any of the other "recreations" we've seen not just by JB but from other artists across the 'Net? MAC did change a few details and texures, and attributed it "After Byrne" on the piece.
Not saying I agree with Pat and/or MAC that, presumably, it is not different in their view. I am wondering, though, if that was Pat's justification for doing this without considering it to be intellectual theft.
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Brian Mayer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 7:22pm | IP Logged | 4
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Did that piece ever get sold to anyone else or is it sitting around someplace?
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Brian Floyd Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 7:27pm | IP Logged | 5
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Pat is claiming over at IMWAN that he actually thinks the MAC version looks superior.
Yeah, right.
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Trevor Giberson Byrne Robotics Chronology
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 7:27pm | IP Logged | 6
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I'm fine with Anthony taking the commission. It's no different than what, say, Joe Rubenstien does. Pat's the douche in the situation.
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Brian Floyd Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 7:30pm | IP Logged | 7
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Okay, is IMWAN having trouble at the moment, or something? I made a post admonishing Pat over this and was posting a response to another post he made but it wouldn't go through and I've been getting a General Error message. Says too many connections.
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Troy Nunis Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 7:30pm | IP Logged | 8
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there can be long arguments about what Joe R does, and how it's credited -- but, as long as MAC didn't know that Pat was basiclly hiring him avoid paying JB for the creative work, yeah -- it's the same thing.
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Flavio Sapha Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 7:30pm | IP Logged | 9
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I can see that if the commissioner thought that they were receiving an
average/common rendition of Mar-Vell with the Nega bands and the
energy blasts coming from the hands like in the majority of his
illustrations, that the buyer might be very upset with the drawing and not
want it.
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I think it's too trifle a reason to refuse a commission. Plus, to order a
nigh-recreation is hipocrisy.
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Eric White Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 7:32pm | IP Logged | 10
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Byrne drew the picture and didn't get paid and Castrillo "redraws" it and
does get paid. Something doesn't seem right to me. Maybe Ditton will ask
other higher priced commissioners to draw him pictures and then back out
and hire lower priced commissioners to trace the commissions, thus saving
some money.
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Brian Floyd Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 7:35pm | IP Logged | 11
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Pat said that he commissioned the MAC swipe out of spite. I was posting a response asking him why he didn't just do it himself, since he's done re-creations before, instead of paying Anthony to do it, when IMWAN crashed for me.
If anyone can get in and read that thread, please ask him that question for me.
And Eric:
Byrne drew the picture and didn't get paid and Castrillo "redraws" it and does get paid. Something doesn't seem right to me. Maybe Ditton will ask other higher priced commissioners to draw him pictures and then back out and hire lower priced commissioners to trace the commissions, thus saving some money.
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what may happen, since sadly there are probably a lot of slimeballs out there who do exactly that.
Edited by Brian Floyd on 19 February 2008 at 7:36pm
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Bradley Dean Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 7:39pm | IP Logged | 12
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Backing out because you didn't like he commission is one thing, but he
actually must have liked the commission to have it completely redrawn with
a minor change. Its feels sleazy to use and alter artwork you had
commissioned and refused to pay for.
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