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Anthony J Lombardi
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 11:34am | IP Logged | 1  

I'll say i doubt MAC knew the complete history of the piece. I seriously would be shocked if he knew Pat pulled a fast one on J.B. and still agreed to take the job.
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 11:34am | IP Logged | 2  

It wasn't a swipe because he didn't try to pass it off as his own plus it wasn't
his idea.

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Neither of those factors have any impact on whether something is a "swipe"
or not. To swipe is to duplicate another artist's work.
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 11:35am | IP Logged | 3  

"Sorry, was I being too condescending again?"

Redundant.

>>You lost me.
Asked and answered. (Refuted, rather.)

>>Refuted? Lost me again.

And your arguments are still weak.

>>The architect analogy is not mine. To which argument are you referring?

Ditton had a cheap copy made from a scan of a commissioned work he rejected.

>>Rejecting the commission is apparently within his rights as a buyer. This still doesn’t address the fact that JB still has the art in his possession. Which he can sell. And after the publicity generated from the thread, for more than originally quoted, I’m sure. His time has been wasted (arguably), but he may end up ahead financially when all is said and done.

 No matter which analogies we use (and how feebly you try to argue against them)

>>I don't find your arguments particularly compelling. Sorry.

the fact remains that he chose to appropriate design work by JB that he had commissioned, then rejected and not paid for.

>>Two separate issues, really. When did I dispute the “facts”?

That is unethical and worthy of public censure (at the very least).

>>Public censure? Should we form a committee?

>>And when did I say it wasn't unethical? That's not the argument. But you knew that.

>>I believe we’re done here.

 

 

 

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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 11:35am | IP Logged | 4  

I'm totally on board with that, Anthony.


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I know you don't agree with me, Al but keep in mind this piece of art would
never have existed if Ditton had not have commissioned it from Byrne in the
first place. It's not the same as having someone redraw a cover or particular
page of art. Byrne did all the work based on what Ditton wanted. Whether
intentional or not, Ditton got a Byrne commission, redrawn by Castrillo
cheaper than he would have had he just bought the original. I don't think
very many artists would be happy with that situation, if it happened to them.
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Bob Simko
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 11:37am | IP Logged | 5  

If that were the case, though, I would think that he would have brought that point up right away, when he came here to defend the work. Particularly being a artist himself...I can't imagine it would be enjoyable to be the original artist experiencing something like this. The fact that we're a dozen pages in without that being stated certainly leads one to infer that maybe he did know the full story.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 11:40am | IP Logged | 6  

Didn't he just ink over your pencils ?
If he was asked by the customer to do a specific thing how did he swipe something ?

Perhaps i'm not on the same wave length here but what Mac did wasn't it the same as what every inker in the comic industry does ?
 
Most certainly i feel John that you got screwed. But i feel that was done by Pat not MAC.

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Eric White
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 11:41am | IP Logged | 7  

I agree with you, Bob.
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Anthony castrillo
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 11:43am | IP Logged | 8  

Ill answer that, I know Pat sent me a link to the piece and asked if i could
lightbox the art as is, he said he had commissioned JB to do the piece but
for some reason the deall fell thru, he asked if i would trace the art and
include the bands on Marvells wrist.
I know i wanted to change some things but Pat wanted the piece as is.
I complied. I get dozens of requests to do commissions and i handled this
like any other, I lightboxed it, added my signature a description of what
the piece was and mailed it out.
If i had to do it over again, i would have redrawn the piece, sans lightbox.
I can do that, but i took the easy way out.
I have turned down requests to copy other pieces of Byrnes work but this
one made it thru.
So, would i do it again? Yes, but my way.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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I totally agree that this piece wouldn't exist in the first place had John Byrne not created it. I feel that Pat owes John Byrne money because he used the image of John's drawing as a template  for the inking work that MAC did for him.  
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 11:46am | IP Logged | 10  

Wow.  Just wow.

First of all, I think this was downright chickenshit for Ditton to do.  If there are any legal avenues for JB to explore here, I hope he does so.

Secondly, whether Castillo has apologized or not, he was still in the wrong to do this.  "Playing dumb" in this respect just does not fly.  I don't know how Ditton requested Castillo to steal...  er, recreate this drawing, but SOMETHING had to appear "off".

Thirdly, no matter what, JB got ripped off.  Twice.  No amount of apologizing can rectify that. 

Lastly, I hope Ditton and Castillo are proud of themselves here.  Ditton got a cheap rip-off and Castillo got paid for another man's work.  (And I'm more than willing to bet it was FAR less than what's rightfully due JB.)

Ditton can whine and complain until he's blue in the face.  The fact remains he's a thief.  And Castillo willingly went along with it.

It's crap like this that give good, honest, and hard working artists a bad name.

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"he said he had commissioned JB to do the piece but
for some reason the deall fell thru"

 

So you knew that JB was not paid for the piece.

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what about these? yours for only $300 each

 

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