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Aric Shapiro
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I understand that Pat wants to but the original piece now, in part to make up for all of this. Would that be allowed?
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Eric White
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Al Cook-Huh?
This is what Castrillo said, Al.
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My question to Castrillo is, name another artist who would trace over a
drawing that a person commissioned from another artist but didn't pay
for. Ditton chose to have another artist, who's rates are lower than JB's,
trace the original commission since he really wasn't that unhappy with it.
If he was, he would have had Castrillo draw him a whole new drawing of
the two Captains.
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Al Cook
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OK, I get what you were saying now.
(Of course, I feel dumb, but at least I get it now...)
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Eric White
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OK, I get what you were saying now.
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My fault, it was clumsily worded.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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"Sorry, was I being too condescending again?"
Redundant.
Asked and answered. (Refuted, rather.)
And your arguments are still weak. Ditton had a cheap copy made from a scan of a commissioned work he rejected. No matter which analogies we use (and how feebly you try to argue against them) the fact remains that he chose to appropriate design work by JB that he had commissioned, then rejected and not paid for. That is unethical and worthy of public censure (at the very least).
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Anthony J Lombardi
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If finger pointing is gonna happen point it at Pat. Not at MAC.
He didn't swipe anything. He simply did what the customer asked him to do. Should he have turned the job down because Pat screwed J.B. ?
I really find it hard to believe that MAC knew that Pat had commisioned the piece from J.B. then refused to pay for it. Then had MAC do a trace just so he could what get it cheaper ?
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Al Cook
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I'm totally on board with that, Anthony.
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Eric White
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MAC didn't swipe anything? He did a complete trace! If that's not a swipe,
what is?
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Paulo Pereira
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Well, wrong or not, MAC apologized and admitted he was wrong, so I think it's pointless to get on his back about it, at this point.
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Bob Simko
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I'm curious to know how much of the "history" of the original piece he knew about from Pat Ditton.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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It wasn't a swipe because he didn't try to pass it off as his own plus it wasn't his idea.It was the customer who provided the example of art work.
As he said traced.
MAC is more then talented enough to come up with his own layout for the piece even if it was meant to be a homage to J.B. piece that he wouldn't need to trace it.
He was paid to do a particular job which seemed to be inking over someone elses pencils. Plus add the nega bands.
All he did was what every inker does who works in the comic industry. Yes even change some of the pencils.
Edited by Anthony J Lombardi on 20 February 2008 at 11:32am
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Al Cook
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My question to Castrillo is, name another artist who would trace over
a drawing that a person commissioned from another artist but didn't pay
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But do we know that Castrillo had all the details when he agreed to do what
he was commissioned to do? Sure he knew he was tracing JB - it was after
all what his client was asking him to do. But did he know that he was
tracing stolen art? Or did he think that he was tracing a piece of art that his
client had ownership of (and therefore some right to request a trace to
modify a detail thereon)?
So far for me it's Castrillo: benefit of the doubt; Ditton: douchebag.
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