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Paul Greer
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No, this was not a tracing exercise done by Pat.
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Aric Shapiro
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We rep the Plaintiff

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Paulo Pereira
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Fred, I think Anthony Castrillo is solely responsible for redoing the piece.  Pat said he could have done it but that he was a fan of Anthony so he got him to do it.  Anthony, as mentioned by JPB, remarks on this affair in the sketchbook thread.
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Fred J Chamberlain
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>I actually have the skill to have copied the piece myself -- but I'm also a huge Castrillo fan and I thought it would have been funny to have it done by him.

Oops, misread it the first time.

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Al Cook
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"He knows having another artist copy the piece line for line was wrong. He
did it in anger."

OK, this still frosts my buns. What kind of a dick gets mad at someone for
doing what they said they would do?

How is a drawing you didn't pay for worth getting angry over? I'm glad Mr.
Ditton has never been exposed to Gamma radiation...
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Aric Shapiro
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 8:32am | IP Logged | 6  

"OK, this still frosts my buns. What kind of a dick gets mad at someone for
doing what they said they would do? "

I'm not justifying the anger.  I did not read the email exchange between pat and Jim.  I can only convey that Pat was upset.  I CAN tell you of my own experiences when it comes to commissions.  Warden in every case asks what verison of a character I want.  When I am not sure or unable to convey what I want, he takes the time to send me a link to a pic of the character, so that there is never an issue.  I've not had a problem

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Al Cook
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"I actually have the skill to have copied the piece myself -- but I'm also a
huge Castrillo fan and I thought it would have been funny to have it done by
him."

He thought it would be funny? WTF??

And anyone with a light table, and at least one working eye and a hand that
can move a pencil has the skill to copy the piece.

OK - I have had this problem with Pat Ditton for a long time. Does he not
charge people money for his shit ripoffs of other people's art? Yet he's not
good enough to do it for himself? There's some sort of admission in there...
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Joe Smith
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I think Anthony owes JB some $.

Do unto others, and all.....

Should never have accepted the 'job'
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Brad Brickley
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 8:41am | IP Logged | 9  

Seems pretty simple to me,
"Jim & JB, make sure to add the negabands to Mar-Vell.  That is the version I prefer.  Thanks."  Email communication is instantaneous.

The whole getting mad and so I'm going to swipe the original argument seems pretty grade school to me. 

And as for the statement about JB doing the commissions up front before getting the money has worked up to this point, well it still worked in this case.  The buyer didn't want it and JB said okay.  It's only afterward that the problem exists. 

Simple.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 8:46am | IP Logged | 10  

As sad as it is to say this is what happens when you don't get atleast a partial payment upfront.
I applaud John Byrne's policy  of not asking for money before hand. It would be great if other artist did this. But this instance is an exanmple of why they don't.

I don't know the details of why MAC did this adjustment. But from my interaction with him. He doesn't seem the type of person who would knowingly be apart of something so underhanded.

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Darren Taylor
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 8:47am | IP Logged | 11  

A by-product of accepting commission work and being paid once the work is done, is that from time-to-time this can be abused.

Although, in this instance, I believe that there has been a misunderstanding somewhere along the line. The fact remains that JB was commissioned to produce a piece of art, his time was spent and the product produced, aparantly not to the satisfaction of the client. So no funds were taken. That is all above board.

Commissioning or employing someone else to then -sort- an element that you feel to have been wrong with the first commission confirms that the core work produced by the original commissionee was acceptable and remuneratin should be forwarded.

Effectively, JB penciled* something for someone else to ink-virtually. As such the commissioner has a -duty- to pay for those services he has used to get his anger-commission.

Anthony has produced a piece of art, commissioned by someont, to that clients wishes and -credited- the artist from whom he has taken the work. Although I can only see this as an "inking" job.

 

* acknowledging that his inking will have also influence the line wieghts used by whomever follows him.



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Michael Arndt
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Cannot believe that the She-Hulk commission was rejected. Fantastic piece.
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