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Paulo Pereira
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So about the scheduling thing. As I mentioned before, the indicia for THOR says "monthly except semi-monthly in January and February." It just dawned on me that semi-monthly = biweekly. Yet there hasn't been one THOR comic released in January; the last one, #5, came out in December. THOR #6 is due in stores tomorrow, which won't leave much room for a second THOR comic to be released this month. What am I missing here?
BTW, there was no THOR comic in October either.
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Glenn Greenberg
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<<<Marv Wolfman was leaving the book at the time, but I find it hard to
believe he would intentionally leave the editor hanging like that. Was it
just a miscommunication?>>>
The same thing happened with Marvel's STAR TREK comic from that
period. Marv was the writer on the first 4 issues. Issue 4 was the first
part of a two-part story. Marv quit the series (and Marvel) with issue 4,
and provided no notes on how he intended to finish the story. The task
fell to Mike W. Barr, who had to come up with his own conclusion from
scratch.
As I recall, Marv gave an interview around that time in which he said it
was something of a parting shot at Marvel as he was walking out the
door--a "let THEM figure out how to end it" kind of thing.
Like I said, this was published in an interview, so it's not like I'm "outing"
Marv or revealing secret privileged information or anything like that.
Edited by Glenn Greenberg on 26 February 2008 at 12:27pm
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John Byrne
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Marvin is misquoted so often, it would seem.
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Mark Haslett
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JB: (Much like how my FF, excoriated at the start, is now "second only to Lee and Kirby".)
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From what quarter did you get excoriated at the start of FF? That was the run, if I'm not mistaken, when you became something of a sales success after the more modest increases your run on X-Men gained.
Was there more negative response than positive at the time?
(...If you'll excuse the thread drift)
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Bruce Buchanan
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Thanks for the info, Glenn -- always good to hear from those truly in the know.
But these stories do surprise me. I've never had any dealings with Marv Wolfman, but I do regard him as one of the greatest comics writers ever. But how did he get away with this type of nonsense?
You would think with so few options for full-time work and comics being such a closely-knit industry to begin with, a guy wouldn't want to burn any bridges. Believe me, I know first-hand how hard it is to get a foot in the door at one of the Big Two, even when you try to say and do all the right things. Intentionally stiffing an editor on a script would seem to me to be a one-way ticket out of the industry.
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John Byrne
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From what quarter did you get excoriated at the start of FF? That was the run, if I'm not mistaken, when you became something of a sales success after the more modest increases your run on X-Men gained.Was there more negative response than positive at the time? •• My early days on FANTASTIC FOUR were a microcosm of what lay ahead, tho of course I had no way of knowing that at the time. First, there was a substantial strata of fans who felt absolutely -- and personally! -- betrayed by my departure from X-MEN. They responded to my FF work as if I was doing it solely to tick them off. Then there were those, naturally, who were quite happy with what was going on with the FF, in terms of story and art (I was following Moench and Sinkeiwiecz), and didn't like me coming in and turning over the applecart. And then there was that small slice who just wanted to find fault with everything and anything no matter what it was. Of the three groups, they were (and are -- look at the internet) the most persistent. That first year was pretty rough, lemme tell ya!
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Glenn Greenberg
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<<<I've never had any dealings with Marv Wolfman, but I do regard him
as one of the greatest comics writers ever.>>>
As do I.
<<<But how did he get away with this type of nonsense?>>>
I know this much: Marvel was dropping its Writer/Editor system--and
Marv had been working there for several years as a successful
Writer/Editor. Plus, he wasn't getting along with Shooter. REALLY not
getting along. With his contract ended, he wanted to be done with Marvel
and Shooter as quickly as possible, and begin a promising new situation
at DC. And several remaining assignments (including STAR TREK #5 and
apparently that issue of AMAZING SPIDER-MAN cited above) were
affected as a result.
<<<You would think with so few options for full-time work and comics
being such a closely-knit industry to begin with, a guy wouldn't want to
burn any bridges. >>>
He had a GREAT option. He went right over to DC--as a Writer/Editor,
mind you--and did, just for starters, BATMAN, THE NEW TEEN TITANS,
and his own creation, NIGHT FORCE. As for burning bridges, I can't speak
for Marv, but it's not just mere speculation that there was very little
chance that he would have ever considered working for Marvel again
while Shooter was still in charge.
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Geoff Gibson
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WOW, thats unprofessional. If he were fired that's one thing, but what about the people other than Shooter, the editors on Star Trek and Spider-Man that had to scramble to finish his work?
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Rob Toth
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A question for those in the know (coming deep and late into the discussion, I realize). Does the chronic lateness extend beyond writers and pencillers? i.e., do inkers take unreasonable amounts of time these days to do their job? Colorists? Letterers?
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Glenn Greenberg
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Geoff,
Marv WAS the editor on Star Trek and Spider-Man. He was a
Writer/Editor, dig? That means he was editing the books he was writing.
But Shooter instituted a new policy abolishing all Writer/Editors. As a
result of that policy, Marv was gone from Marvel. (As was Roy Thomas.)
Marv's last credited issue as writer/editor of AMAZING SPIDER-MAN was
#204. With issue 205, the credited editor was Denny O'Neil and the
credited writer was David Michelinie.
Roger and JB's issue was #206.
Edited by Glenn Greenberg on 26 February 2008 at 2:44pm
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Vinny Valenti
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I don't know if I'll ever understand the "writer/editor" credit. If there's no oversight by a third party, isn't the "editing" basically "proofreading"?
Unless there's more to it that I'm not getting, I think I'd have to side with Shooter for ditching that concept.
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John Byrne
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I don't know if I'll ever understand the "writer/editor" credit. If there's no
oversight by a third party, isn't the "editing" basically "proofreading"?
••
Even that is generous. Roger Stern once described the writer/editor job as
"a license to steal".
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