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Jeff W Williams
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| But this probably only applies to unpopular artists who already respect the rules anyway. |
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The Dodsons were "filled in" on several pages during the last issue of Wonder Woman since they couldn't get done in time. I'm guessing that happened before this policy was announced to the public, but could have been a result of it internally.
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Steve Horton
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Many freelancers choose to live in NYC, and $52K is barely scraping by in most parts of the city, correct?
Of course, there are other comic havens. Portland, OR is like a mecca, and $52K will get you a fine living in many good parts of town. Just don't expect to own your own home.
Indiana, you could buy a home with that!
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Martin Redmond
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| Aside from very specific contracted creators (such as Jim Lee), any penciller contracted to work on a monthly book must deliver complete turnaround of 22 pages of work in four weeks. |
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See, no one important will ever have any pressure to get in line.
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Michael Huber
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I bought 15 acres, wooded, for $35,000 herebouts. Of course I still have a house to build, but that's only 2-3 years off.
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Peter Svensson
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The Dodsons were filled in because Terry Dodson injured his hand. That's a case where using a guest artist for the flashback pages is acceptable. (And their styles meshed enough that it didn't pull me out of the story.)
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Andy Smith
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I think four weeks is fine for a 22 page book. A page a day is three weeks but that
is working every day except one and I think that is a lot to ask for. I
think four weeks is fine because you still get weekends off mostly,
sure a couple weeks in there you'd have to do 6 pages but that's no
biggie.
Andy
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Matthew McCallum
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Playing the math game a little more, let's assume you produce one page of pencils per day. And let's assume you only work M-F (because you need your weekends off from the salt mine). So working weekdays only, that's roughly 261 pages per year, which is pretty close to the 264 pages you get from 12 issues at 22 pages per.
So the question becomes, does it really take eight working hours a day (or more) to produce a single page of pencils?
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Pascal LISE
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Remember that's before self-employment taxes as well as personal healthcare,
pension/savings, etc. Wittles down that fifty grand significantly.
Coming from a foreigner and out of curiosity : for an average Joe… what would be left to
spend from this 4400 € ?
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Greg Woronchak
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It depends on the artist, I would guess. Coming up with the page layout, assembling reference, choosing camera angles, and making sure the story-telling works can be time consuming. The rough pencils don't take long, but tightening them up might.
Some have a hard time accepting a page as 'done' until they've worked it to a point where they're completely satisfied. Still, I've always thought that two pages a day is a realistic goal.
Man, $200 a page, that'd be sweet (sigh).
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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"So working weekdays only, that's roughly 261 pages per year, which is pretty close to the 264 pages you get from 12 issues at 22 pages per."
I thought the press release said one issue per 4 weeks , specifically not each month, making it 13 issues produced per year - 286 pages a year.
"Coming from a foreigner and out of curiosity : for an average Joe… what would be left to spend from this 4400 € ? "
4.400 euros? I think they're cheating you on the exchange rate there, Pascal.
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Howard Mackie
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Pops,
How many pages per day can YOU pencil. See I was SPOILED as an editor.
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John Byrne
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It depends on the artist, I would guess. Coming up with the page layout,
assembling reference, choosing camera angles, and making sure the
story-telling works can be time consuming. The rough pencils don't take
long, but tightening them up might.
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Joe Kubert has been known to produce 8 pages per day, pencils and inks.
There's a movie I dearly wish would come out on DVD, entitled BYE-BYE BRAVERMAN. In it, there is a scene in which one of the characters, a newspaper critic, sits down to write his latest column. He turns on his typewriter. He shuffles his papers. He sharpens a pencil. He empties the pencil sharpener. He dusts off the desk. Etc, etc, etc. What you describe above falls very much more into this category than it does into the notion of actually getting the work done.Incidentally -- an average American comic book has had 22 pages for about 25 years, now. An average working month has 22 days. The math seems staggeringly easy -- but more important, can you think of too many other professions in which people can repeatedly get away with producing less than the minimum requirement of the job? Can, in fact, be lauded for doing so?
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