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Paul Greer
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Thanks for the peek. I enjoy seeing your process of pencils to ink when you're doing both.
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Martinho Correia
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JB, how has your pencilling changed as you have advanced in experience?
By the way, is your deadline - sense a tingling sensation like spider -sense?
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Darren Taylor
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Nice! I love the eye-leading panel break in the penultimate and final panels.
So other than a general tightening up, seems that the biggest additions in the inking stage will be light source and texture.
Looks like a really interesting project.
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Pedro Cruz
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Beautiful! Personally, I've always liked how in your own stuff (NextMen, Babe, etc), characters seem just a bit more "cartoony", ending up with more character - don't know if this makes any sense whatsoever, but that's my opinion.
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Mike O'Brien
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Man, this is a JB project I'm really getting excited about! Looks great!
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John Byrne
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I was just wondering if the pages, like the CZ posted above, are bleed
pages or non-bleed pages...and, if they are NON-bleed pages, what
dimensions are you using for your panel boarders? Is 10 by 15 still
appropriate? I recall reading sometime ago that 10 by 15 is what the "big
two" companies now actually use for BLEED pages.
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Correct. Bleed and non-bleed pages are the same size. The bleed pages
just have an extra "box" inside the outermost border, indicating the point
beyond which important art and/or lettering cannot go without risking
being cropped.
Altho this means these is slightly less reduction on a full bleed page,
which can sometimes render the printed lines less sharp, it is perhaps an
improvement over the first pass at full bleed, where the art was extended
beyond the 10x15 border, requiring artists to draw about 20% more on
every page -- without, of course, a 20% hike in the page rate!
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John Byrne
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Would this be considered pencils? Layouts? Breakdowns? Something in
between?
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This is what I usually do for breakdowns.
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John Byrne
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Since you are doing the writing, pencils and inks, JB, is there a reason you
don't just letter it yourself, a la Generations?
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Publishers prefer to have the lettering done on computer, as a separate
layer, to make it easier to do foreign editions.
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John Byrne
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JB, how has your pencilling changed as you have advanced in experience?
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The single greatest change in my penciling happened about five, six years
ago now, when I made a conscious decision to stop trying to do the
inker's job for him.
Having had some less-than-stellar inkers at the start of my career (and in
my fan days), I had been "programmed" to approach each page with the
thought that if the line wasn't exactly where I wanted it, and exactly
the weight I wanted, it would not be on the finished page as I
wanted. So I spent about 25 years torturing my pencil (and myself) trying
to make the pencil do what brushes and pens do. I came close, about a
decade ago, when I started penciling with the side, rather than the tip of
the pencil point (as seen on the page posted above), but in the end I
finally realized it was like trying to get a hammer to do the job of a
screwdriver, and I just stopped.
Almost instantly, my art took a quantum leap forward. Since I was no
longer fighting the natural line of the pencil, suddenly all those things
with which I had been struggling most of my career began to appear on
the page. There was an overnight improvement in drapery, hair, even the
way I did faces, gesture. The whole ball of wax, in other word. All
because I one day said to myself Do what you do best, and let the other
guy worry about doing what he does best!
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Joakim Jahlmar
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Really nice page, JB.
I must say that much as I like it when you play with the major company toys (after all you do THAT so well), the older I get the more happy I feel when I see these toys that you come up with all on your own. And as this page shows excellently (even without words) you are a GREAT storyteller within the medium of comics, and I think that your entire career shows that quite well.*
* Without in any way claiming that your old stuff is better than your new stuff (which I think is a dumb argument to begin with), I would surely like to say that all of your old stuff that I've seen and read at the very least shows a better grasp of comics storytelling than a lot of newer artists show in their work (new or old).
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Kevin Brown
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Ok, perhaps this is a dumb question, but is this the first time your new project has actually been given a name, JB? Or rather, allowing the fans to know the name of it. It may have been posted previously elsewhere, but this is the first time I can recall seeing it called Citzen Zero.
Oh, and that's a damn nice page. Really looking forward to it. Any hints as to the approximate release date?
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Aric Shapiro
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Love the angle of the third panel. Great vantage point.
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