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Vinny Valenti
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Hey, Pat, I had the exact same assumption all this time. I guess the fact that JB used zoomed-out shots for all of the other panels in this page made me think he did the same for that panel. Now that I know the truth (23 years later), I'm glad the 10-year-old me made that mistake!
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Brad Teschner
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dammit! for a minute there I thought I was FINALLY actually right about something on this forum!!!
at least something comic related.
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Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
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Pat: Good 'ol Graveyard these days. 12:30 to 8:30, Friday-Tuesday.
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As far as you viewing the fiery image as a man falling forward, now that you point it out I can see that! Weird, eh?
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Pat Ditton
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PAUL ---
A few of us here at JBF are going to try and meet up at WonderCon (San Francisco in February) --- you should come. Glen is looking at his schedule, too. It's be fun.
I'll be starting a thread on it here at JBF after the Holidays.
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John Byrne
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I guess the fact that JB used zoomed-out shots for all of the other panels in
this page made me think he did the same for that panel.
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Were that the case, I would have made it a "smooth" zoom. The figure of
Mac in the middle panel would be smaller than the first, larger than the
third.
In any case, keep in mind that this whole scene was pushing the Code about
as far as superhumanly possible. Had I made the images much clearer, the
scene might not have passed review.
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Jason Ditzel
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The countdown page is really cool.
The other good thing about this comic was the fact that I didn't know who died until I read it. No Internet. No solicitations. You would have to work much harder today to get the same effect.
I miss double size comics on the anniversary issues.
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Flavio Sapha
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Another favorite bit from this issue:
Smart Alec looking into Shaman´s pouch!
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Pat Ditton
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These moments of JB telling us what it is and how it came to pass -- these are why I like it here at JBF....inside the mind of the creator...
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Brian Hunt
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I always saw a face in the third panel. It made it all the more disturbing and tragic.
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Vinny Valenti
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Again, agreed, Pat. I barely even buy comics much these days, but still this site lets me relive my childhood just a little bit each day.
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Joe Smith
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Compared to this, Death of Phoenix was emotionless.
I'm still hurt by Mac's death to this day.
JB made everlasting pain a reality for me.
I honestly think this issue made it easy for me to say goodbye to people I DON'T care about. I really, really, grew up here. As opposed to really grew up.
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John Byrne
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This issue clearly generated an emotional response. Sometimes, looking back, I think it got more than a tad too emotional, in some quarters. There were letters I received that, by virtue of having crossed state lines, would have been suitable fodder for the FBI if they'd taken their ire about .01% further. (Frank Miller, when he killed Elektra, got mail that went that extra percentage and more! And Frank did forward those letters to the FBI!)I wonder, thinking about it now, at this end of the long tunnel of history, if no small number of "Bad Byrne" stories were begun in the pages of this comic. I mean, the responses were really that charged, and we know there are some fans who never, ever let go. (You can find many of them still happy to discuss how MAN OF STEEL "ruined" Superman.) This certainly drew a line thru my career, and I was at least vaguely aware even then that some fans seemed to have entirely lost their sense of humor in the wake of this issue. That things I said in interviews and at conventions, from this point forward, for many people no longer elicited the expected laughs, but frothing, foaming anger. Gee -- I miss the days when the audience turned over every five years!!
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