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Rick Whiting
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I have to admit that I really liked what Claremont did to Magneto by showing a more "softer and gentle" side to the character. I liked that he was taking Magneto down the path of redemption.
That all being said, I think it was a bad idea to totally redeem Magneto and have him join (and lead) the X-Men. In fact, I'll go as far as say that Magneto should NEVER have been taken down the path of redemption to begin with. It was wrong for Claremont to turn the X-Men's greatest villain into a "good guy". The more I think about it, the more I think that Claremont would have created a brand new villain who had the redeemable qualities that he forced on Magneto.
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Peter Svensson
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You know what's scary, that all the following have been X-Men at this point: White Queen, Juggernaut, Magneto, Sabretooth, Mystique. Claremont made Xavier the king of "Everyone can be redeemed!" with having Rogue join up. Now there's almost as many ex-villains as there are heroes on the team.
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Mike Farley
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And who has replaced all those villains?
Who is the X-Men's archenemy now that Magneto is "reformed"?
That's the real problem in my eyes. All those characters have been taken off the villain playing field. And they haven't been replaced.
Seriously when was the last time a good new MAJOR villain was introduced? Maybe Apocalypse or Mr. Sinister (not that I think much of either of them)? That was like 20 years ago.
If they keep eliminating X-villains eventually we'll have issues where Scott stands around for 22 pages whining about how he has to wear glasses all the time.
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Greg Reeves
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QUOTE:
If they keep eliminating X-villains eventually we'll have issues where Scott stands around for 22 pages whining about how he has to wear glasses all the time.
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Haha- he doesn't even do that anymore in Astonishing X-Men, because he doesn't need to wear glasses after some kind of Emma Frost mind attack or something! As for villains, right now in the Messiah Complex storyline, the team has or is facing the Marauders (weren't some of them killed during Mutant Massacre?) and the Acolytes, both lead by Sinister, as well as the weapon X style Reavers. They also have the Purifiers, which is a church-based well-armed mutant hate group. Mystique has apparently betrayed them (wow!) and joined up with Sinister as well. In Uncanny, the team recently faced a splinter group of Morlocks lead by Masque, and in self-titled X-Men, there was a new group of genetically enhanced foes named Children of *something* (can't remember!). Magneto was de-powered after House of M, but I'm not sure if that has been altered since.
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John Byrne
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I have to admit that I really liked what Claremont did to Magneto by
showing a more "softer and gentle" side to the character. I liked that he
was taking Magneto down the path of redemption.
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Usually, I am quick to point out how the InterNet would have had a
profoundly negative effect -- as it does today -- if it had been in place
twenty, thirty, forty years ago. How things like the DC rebirth in the
1950s would have most certainly died aborning had InterNet chat rooms
and forums been around, where a small group of vocal fans could make
themselves seem like an army screaming against this utter abandonment
of cherished "continuity".
In the case of Magneto, tho -- yeah, there I kinda wish the InterNet had
been around. Or at least some major force that could have screamed
"Why are you turning Magneto into a half-assed clone of Doctor Doom?"
and cataloged each and every way in which this transformation violated
the long standing continuity.
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Ben Schwartz
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Has anyone here read X-men (2nd series) #85? It has gorgeous Alan Davis artwork and a story by Davis, scripted by Joe Kelly. I believe this story is a perfect example of how Magneto can be a multi-layered yet purely evil character. The plot, in a nutshell, is this: on the day before his latest planned attack on humanity, Magneto decides that he will give the humans one last chance to save themselves. He disguises himself as a human and strikes up a conversation with a construction worker--an everyman, if you will. If this everyman can show tolerance towards mutants, humanity will be spared. Well, Magneto tosses several loaded questions at the guy, but the construction worker proves to be a thoughtful, tolerant guy. Magneto gets more and more annoyed that he cannot find any shred of bigotry, until he finally reveals his true nature, threatens the guy, threatens his family and pretty much terrorizes the guy into saying something anti-mutant. At this point, Magneto basically says "there, I told you so" and prepares to go forth with his attack as planned. Now THAT is one selfish, petty, EVIL bastard!
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Rick Whiting
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Yeah Ben, I read that story. I also thought it was pretty good. I agree with you that Joe Kelly perfectly nailed Magneto's character in that story.
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John Byrne
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Now, THAT sounds like Magneto!
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