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Aaron Smith
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Maybe they need to worry about telling good CURRENT stories instead of revisiting the past so much.
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Donald Miller
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Oh UUUuughh,
The original version of this series ( Can Ma***l just not do anything new) was part of the problem for me as a reader. Kitty went from being a down to earth teen dealing with the arrival of new powers an new surroundings to being trained as a Ninja in Japan along side Wolverine....that was just wack.
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Aaron Smith
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I hate it when they take the things that make it possible for readers to really identify with certain characters and screw it up. It happened with Kitty back then, and the worst example is probably Peter Parker.
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Michael Penn
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Stan Lee et al. were definitely aware of moral relativism:
Was this ever applied by them or their immediate followers to Magneto?
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Donald Miller
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Stan Lee et al. were definitely aware of moral relativism:
Of course they were. These men were/are fairly sophisticated guys. The ideas portrayed within their stories were fairly sophisticated as well.
That is why I hold that Magneto, because he was portrayed as a megalomaniacal Bigotted Despot literally from day one. Should have stayed one.
The guy was and is EVIL, a bad person, just a dick. He was not about saving the mutants from mankind, so much as enslaving mankind for the benefit of mutants.
It is a minor but important distinction. He could spout the philosophies all day long, but ultimately he was just a bad guy.
It's along the lines of reinterpreting Green Goblin as having Multiple personality disorder. No, he just banged his head and forgot. not the same thing.
Don
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Greg Woronchak
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Witness the success of the Spider-Man and X-Men movie franchises.
Well, the movies are successful because they're mindless popcorn flicks, and the tiny die-hard comic book fan will see them no matter what.
I feel sorry if after the movie, kids try and pick up the latest issue of Spidey or X-men, trying to decipher the morass of characters and continuity.
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Victor Rodgers
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I think Magneto's thing is he does not care if mutants are free, so long as he is the guy ruling them.
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Paulo Pereira
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Exactly. He wants mutantkind to rule the earth and he wants to rule mutantkind.
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John Byrne
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That is why I hold that Magneto, because he was portrayed as a
megalomaniacal Bigotted Despot literally from day one. Should have
stayed one.
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Stan understood contrasts. He could give us Doctor Doom, whom he
ultimately chose to cast as "noble" with his own code of ethics, and that
allowed him to give us Magneto, who was a total S.O.B. He could give us
Doctor Octopus, who was a "tragic" villain, and a few issues later
Sandman, who was at the very least a multiple-murderer!
Stan liked to write "layered" characters -- but he understood that not
everybody is layered!
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John Byrne
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As I understand it, sales have been increasing steadily for the last half-
decade or so…
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Sales increased exponentially during the speculator boom. Unfortunately,
when the speculators departed, we learned the number of readers
had actually decreased.
The Big Two are now embarked on a deliberate campaign to lure back
speculators, and sales would seem to show they are being successful.
When the speculators lose interest again, we will see how many of those
increased sales corresponded to an increase in warm bodies.
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John Wyatt
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QUOTE:
As I understand it, sales have been increasing steadily for the last half-
decade or so…
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Sales increased exponentially during the speculator boom. Unfortunately,
when the speculators departed, we learned the number of readers
had actually decreased.
The Big Two are now embarked on a deliberate campaign to lure back
speculators, and sales would seem to show they are being successful.
When the speculators lose interest again, we will see how many of those
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It may not be necessary to wait that long. Speculators don't have much need to buy trade paperbacks and evemn less to buy multiple copies of trades, and that is the fastest growing segment of comics publishing, and the one which retailers like Borders has the most interest in.
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Consider also that a ton of trades, from the ESSENTIALS line to ARCHIVES to SHOWCASE and recent releases like JB's FF, are targeting longtime readers. Much of this material is being published for the first time, or if not the first time in a much less expensive format than was previously available. How much of those sales are actually bringing in new blood, people who will continue to purchase comics in whatever format, and how many of those sales are to people like me who has been collecting comics for 30+ years and has recently dove headfirst into buying TBP collections because I've never read the issues being collected or want a nice shelf edition to replace my individual copies? In other words, are the strong sales of TBP actually representative of a resurgence of some sort in comics, or are they selling to people who were already a part of the community?
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