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Jim Muir
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<<It's a perversion, historically, it should read "one mans guerilla is another mans freedom fighter">>
Whats the distinction between 'guerilla' and terrorist? I see none.
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John Byrne
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One happened over sixty years ago and the other happened a little over six
years ago. Enough time has passed that for most people, not all, WWII can
be talked about with less emotion and more logic than 9/11.
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WW2? You mean the Holocaust don't you? That's the 60 year old
event to which Magneto has been specifically linked, retconning in his
"freedom fighter" role. Let's ask our Jewish members if the Holocaust was
long enough ago that it less emotionally contentious than 9/11. . .
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John Byrne
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*As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. "
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Which is exactly why I avoided mentioning them in the first place.
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But I didn't. And as soon as I did, you started trying to brush them both
under the carpet, along with 9/11 and any other real world events that
correspond too closely to the actions of Magneto. Just too damaging to
your argument. "Sure! He's murdered and tortured hundreds, perhaps
thousands of people -- but that doesn't make him a villain!"
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John Byrne
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Whats the distinction between 'guerilla' and terrorist? I see none.
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Guerillas are terrorists we support!
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Jim Muir
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| Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:49am | IP Logged | 5
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Exactly!
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Greg Woronchak
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I just assumed the book was intended to be superheroes as mercurial soap opera.
Man, that is a perfect description of the X-men since issue 176 <g>....
Maybe comic companies should market comics as 'soap operas with tights'...
Or maybe not <g>.
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Donald Miller
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Whats the distinction between 'guerilla' and terrorist? I see none.
Terrorists specifically target non-combatants.
Don
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John Byrne
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I just assumed the book was intended to be superheroes as mercurial
soap opera.
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Man, that is a perfect description of the X-men since issue 176
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Back in the Stan Lee days, one of the things that made Marvel stand out,
one of the things that civilian commentators would almost always
reference, was the "soap opera elements". And this was seen as a good
thing, something that elevated Marvel comics above the standard capes-
'n'-tights fare.
What seems to have happened, tho, is that the soap opera elements have
increasingly been set to one side, compartmentalized within the stories.
They are not so much folded into the action as once they were. Spider-
Man can't worry about Aunt May while punching out Doctor Octopus. He
more and more has to take a few pages to himself to worry about Aunt
May (or whatever). And, increasingly, those few pages have taken up
larger and larger portions of the books. Eventually, we end up with the
soap opera being all there is.
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Donald Miller
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Good point JB.
We should also take into account the Huge numbers. It was, once upon a time, very easy to wade through a plot line that involved a character you did not particularly enjoy. During my favorite X-Men era (101-153) the plot lines were crafted in such a way that they were ever moving forward and twisting around one another. If you were not enjoying reading about Muir Isle, It would revert to the Savage Land in a page or so.
Now between decompressed plots that seem more like plod lines , and more characters it could be months before you see something you like.
Don
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Jim Muir
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<<Terrorists specifically target non-combatants.>>
Military targets aside, Guerillas also hit political and civilian targets.
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Donald Miller
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At which point they become terrorists.
Don
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Roger A Ott II
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I had really hoped when the Scarlet Witch "removed" the powers of about 95% of the mutants on Earth that we'd get a more streamlined X-universe, something that might be comprehensible again. It appears that didn't happen...
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