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Jeremiah Hetherington
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There it is! Thanks, JB. I've read this story many times, collected in a well-worn TPB I have, "The Greatest Batman Stories Ever Told." Just gorgeous!
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That...that masked blackguard!

Boo!

Comics heaven.

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Classic!
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<<<If you did not read JB's MOS, couldn't/wouldn't you have been able to read his Superman & Action Comics and still enjoy them and not even think that something had been changed? Probably.>>>


I disagree. JB's Superman was significantly different from the one that had existed before MOS.

For one thing, he wasn't all-powerful. He couldn't travel through space and time. He couldn't squeeze a lump of coal and turn it into a diamond. There were many more villains who could pose a genuine threat to him.

He tended to use his brains as much as his physical strength.

He wasn't a bumbling shnook as Clark Kent.

As both Clark and Superman, he was actually INTERESTING.

Ma and Pa Kent never died.

I consider all the above big changes from what had come before. And they were changes that drew me to Superman comics on a regular basis for the very first time.

Nowadays, I tend to judge how much I like a Superman comic based on how much it DOESN'T contradict the version that was introduced in MOS.


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The Red Hulk is obviously BANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (is that enough exclamation points?)

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Darren De Vouge
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A red Hulk, huh?

Further proof that most modern mainstream* comics and especially M****l's are going creatively bankrupt.

*How's that for alliteration? 

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I enjoyed the Kyle Rayner Green Lantern.

My favourite Superman is the 'tough guy' one from Superman #1 (1939) who would think nothing of taking a crooked politician on a telephone pole run to scare him into doing the right thing; or kidnapping a football player to infiltrate a crooked sports league. 

I prefer the Silver Age Hawkman who was a visiting policeman from Thanagar.

My favourite Hulk versions are the gray-skinned 'Frankenstein Monster' version from Hulk # 1-6 (1962) and the Hulk with Banner's mind temporary version from Hulk # 278-300.

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For me, the only Flashes of note are Barry Allen and Jay Garrick. 

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Ron Chevrier
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My favorite version of the Blue Beetle didn't have a bullet in his head.
My favorite version of Superman didn't get beaten to death by his snot-nosed young doppleganger.
My favorite version of the JSA didn't get wiped out as sacrifices to the poorly conceived Zero Hour "event".
My favorite version of the Legion of Superheroes hasn't been published since the 80's.
My favorite version of Aquaman is the one that's alive and married to Mera . . .

I could go on, but I'd only get depressed.
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True, Glenn, but I didn't mean us, I meant a new kid who may have known Superman from the cartoons or movies who isn't worried about all this stuff that we sometimes are.

When I was a kid, I didn't know about the multiple Earths, and when I started to read about them, I was intrigued by what appeared, at first, to be two teams of Super Friends.  I first discovered an issue of JLA that had a vignette of Wonder Woman on the cover with her listed as a member of the Justice Society.  I remember thinking, cool, a Justice Legaue and a Justice Society, I wonder who is on which team.

Then I discovered that these two teams were from two differet earths.  Again, I thought that this was cool.

Later, I discovered that these earths didn't have just different heroes, like Dr. Fate and the Spectre, and different versions of our heroes, like Flash and Green Lantern, but that they have different copies of the same heroes, like Superman.

Wow, I thought, and that is where it all went wrong.  Flash and Green Lantern were easy, but now that I knew there were, at least, 2 Supermans I wanted to now where each one appeared and try to make sense of it.

The problem with that was you can't.  Superman is Superman.  The hero in his comics, despite the changes and evolution of the character was always Superman.  He wasn't designed to be two different guys.

AND HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN MADE INTO TWO GUYS.

PERIOD.

This was the problem Crisis tried to fix, but that was another problem.  You can't fix it.  Trying to fix it is what created the mess.  You just needed to leave it alone.

You know when I finally realized this completely?  When I was old enought to... last week or so, when I read the new issue of Justice Society and relaized how stupid it was (and has always been) to try to tell stories about different Supermans.

Superman simply is.

Kingdom Come worked as an Elseworlds (a What If?), but I see now, more than ever, that making it its own multiple earth is not cool, it simply adds to the problem.

The Justice Society works maybe two ways.  As an alternate earth counterpart to the JLA with a different Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkman, Atom, and everyone else, or even as a WWII team of those heroes.  They should not be in the same place at the same time, and there should not be multiple versions of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman that exist outside maybe one self-contained story.

If there has to be a multiverse (unnecessary, but I am not against it) Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman should live on Earth-DC.  The Justice Society on Earth 2, Captain Marvel on Earth-S, the Quality heroes on Earth X, the Charlton Heroes on their earth, and Spider-Man et. al. on Earth Marvel.  Different heroes for different worlds.  That way it doesn't get confusing, and people don't have to know when the Earth-1 stories started.

Now with that said, I think anyone could pick up a JB Superman comic and read a story about Superman without wondering which one it was. 

Apparently, comic book collectors are the only ones who ask this question. 

If it were done correctly, no one would.

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Even with different actors playing him, no one watched Casino Royale and asked, "Which James Bond is this?"

You might like Sean more than Roger and less than Pierce, but they are all one James Bond.

So simple.

Surprised someone hasn't had Pierce travel to an alternate earth and meet Sean in a movie featuring both James Bonds.  If they did, if someone let them, then we James Bond fans might never be able to look back and watch Goldfinger without thinking it was on a different earth than Casino Royale.

So stupid.



Edited by Ted Pugliese on 18 November 2007 at 11:26am
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