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Zaki Hasan
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Aren't both Betty and General Ross alive? Bruce Jones restored Betty and to
the best of my knowledge, that story hasn't been debunked. And I seem to
remember seeing the General alive and well not too long ago.

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Ross is alive, Betty is dead.  PAD's "Tempest Fugitive" arc explains that Betty's resurrection was a hallucination created by Nightmare.
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Maybe that's why some characters don't last as long.  If they don't have a big supporting cast, there's nothing to write about(killing them all off).
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Lance Hill
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I'm with Michael on Ben Reilly. Those first few months of him as Spider-Man really were a breath of fresh air. By no means a great solution to the Spider-Man problem but the spirit was right. And Jurgens hated Ben Reilly apparently.
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My first exposure to Batman was his TV show and some 70s comics. I never could read it if it got too serious. Or at least it needed something goofy about the crimes. Elaborate death traps, tricked wigs meant to crush skulls or a villain defacing the moon, someone tricking a casino. The character just falls apart for me when he starts dealing with street thugs or genuine realistic crimes. 

I remember when I was in high school some other kids who read comics were all excited about LofTDK and Killing Joke. And they were like, look Batman needs to cut a baby's troath to prevent him from chocking and then he sews it back or something like that. And the Joker raped and crippled Batgirl!!! I thought it was too serious for someone who dresses up as a bat and I didn't like it cause I thought that stuff clashed with him wearing a costume. Also me loving Batgirl, KJ kind of pissed me off she couldn't defend herself and that Batman just sends Joker back to Arkham at the end as if nothing happened.

Of course, I read books with stuff like that in them, but in Batman it just felt dissonant to me.



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The big character death is in WWH #5 out now.

Meh.

And that's all I'll say about that.

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My question would be why would anybody's favorite version of ANYTHING be considered "wrong".

I like JB's Superman better than the one I grew up with (which was Curt Swan et al) and even better in some cases that the reprints of Siegel and Schuster's. I like Alan Moore's Supreme  just as much as MOS. I like Ditko's Spider-Man less than Romita's and Kane's, Hell I liked Ultimate Spider-man more than Chapter One. Does that make me "wrong" ? Doesn’t mean I think one is a masterpiece while the other is crap, it just means one “grabbed” me in a way the other didn’t.

It comes down to a matter of taste. A person likes what they like. There should be no excuses for it, or a set of "rules' or "criteria" that must be adhered to in order to make them "right". (And before anyone jumps in with extreme examples, like "What about torturing people? Some folks like that, if it's a matter of tatse it should be ok!", which usually does happen in general discussions of this nature; I'm speaking strictly about comics, or books, or music, or movies or whatever other meaningless distractions we fill our lives with.)

I like XYZ  Book, you don’t. You have your reasons for not liking it, and vice versa. Big deal. Nothing to get bent up about. It’s life.

If I like a book that doesn’t adhere to “creator’s intent” oh well, so be it. Doesn’t mean I think it’s wrong for those who DO like a book that adheres to the creator’s intent. It just means we like different things.

Like I said I like what I like, you like what you like. We aren’t always going to agree, but there’s no reason to start spouting off about the “right” and “wrong” of either side, then degrading into a long drawn out drama filled argument. That happens way too often in Forums, and Message-Boards.

Life’s too short to get hung up and the little stuff, especially stuff that’s meant to be fun!

 

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 Zaki Hasan wrote:
PAD's "Tempest Fugitive" arc explains that Betty's resurrection was a hallucination created by Nightmare.

Don't even get me started on "Tempest Fugitive".  If that's supposed to be canon, then there's a huge, massive, ultra-crappy change in Bruce Banner's origin that I, personally, can't stomach.

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Posted: 14 November 2007 at 7:40pm | IP Logged | 8  

The Denny O'Neil Question really clicked for me in a way that other versions of the character never have.
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I like all the golden age versions of the DC heroes better than the Silver age remakes.  The originals are more varied and interesting.
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Gene Kovacs wrote:

I like XYZ  Book, you don’t. You have your reasons for not liking it, and vice versa. Big deal. Nothing to get bent up about. It’s life.

If I like a book that doesn’t adhere to “creator’s intent” oh well, so be it. Doesn’t mean I think it’s wrong for those who DO like a book that adheres to the creator’s intent. It just means we like different things.

Like I said I like what I like, you like what you like. We aren’t always going to agree, but there’s no reason to start spouting off about the “right” and “wrong” of either side, then degrading into a long drawn out drama filled argument. That happens way too often in Forums, and Message-Boards.

Life’s too short to get hung up and the little stuff, especially stuff that’s meant to be fun!

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I wasn't trying to start a debate about what is actually "right" and "wrong" in terms of the comicbook representations of various heroes, but their treatment in other media I guess.  Aside from the first season of Wonder Woman, which was actually very much like the character when she was first created, the series had Diana Prince as a secret agent fighting thugs with guns and solving crimes with (minimal) detective work.  The trade I read of some of JB's issues were superhero oriented (as they should have been) and were vastly different from the character I had grown up with.

 

JB wrote Wonder Woman as comicbook fans would expect her to be written which, IMHO, is the "right" way.  The television series was an adaptation made to appeal to a much broader audience and in some senses "wrong."  Still, Lynda Carter was who I grew up thinking Wonder Woman was, so that's my favorite version, right or wrong.

 

I'm not trying to get anyone to point fingers at someone else's favorite incarnation of a character and say, "But that's wrong!"  Maybe I should have said "traditional" and "untraditional."

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Posted: 14 November 2007 at 11:16pm | IP Logged | 11  

Emery Calame wrote:

The big character death is in WWH #5 out now.

Meh.

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I must be getting thick in my old age. If there's a big character death in that issue, it went right past me.

Emery--mind if I e-mail you to get clarification?
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Posted: 14 November 2007 at 11:17pm | IP Logged | 12  

<<<PAD's "Tempest Fugitive" arc explains that Betty's resurrection was a hallucination created by Nightmare.>>>

Did it ever state that definitively? To the best of my recollection, it left that particular matter rather vague.
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