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John Byrne
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Posted: 10 November 2007 at 9:46am | IP Logged | 1
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But do Cyclops' eye beams travel at the speed of light?
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I take that as a given.
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Robert White Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 November 2007 at 9:53am | IP Logged | 2
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I had to take a look at Cyclops' OHOTMU entry, and surprisingly, it says nothing about how fast the beam travels. I'm assuming since it's a force beam that Cyclops body generates by absorbing ambient solar energy, that it does travel at the speed of light. I'm assuming that if the beam was anything like plasma that it might not travel that fast.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 10 November 2007 at 9:53am | IP Logged | 3
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On Cyclops versus Black Bolt -- I am immediately reminded of this cover:Note that a completely inaccurate portrayal of Havok's power is needed to make the shot work. Like Black Bolt, Havok's power radiates in a wide swath unless he makes an effort to concentrate it. Cyclops does not have this kind of "bredth of field". Black Bolt could let loose full force and decimate pretty much the whole battlefield.
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Paul Gibney Byrne Robotics Member.
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Posted: 10 November 2007 at 10:03am | IP Logged | 4
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Cyclops' eye beams have to pass through his quartz visor. They are not plasma, or any form of matter, but are clearly some form of electromagnetic energy, or 'light'. And, as we all know, light moves at the speed of... light.
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Michael Huber Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 November 2007 at 10:26am | IP Logged | 5
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Well picture this, some ind of conflict arises, Black Bolt sees no other way out and finally decides to unleash his power, which I would have to say woul dinvolve hesitation given his constant restraint, and as Scott perceives this, he unleashes everything he has to try and prevent it. I still see two unconcious heroes. Not a question of who's stronger, they are both capable of dropping the other.
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 November 2007 at 1:01pm | IP Logged | 6
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Interesting discussion, sight vs sound (Cyclops vs Black Bolt). I tend to think Cyclops' power delivers its punch much faster but Cyclops would be in for a world of hurt if something happened (the beam were deflected or he was jostled as he shot). IIRC, Black Bolt's power is shown as being a) omnidirectional and b) akin to a tactical nuke at full strength, so any "counterpunch" would probably end the fight for Scott.
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Emery Calame Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 November 2007 at 3:57pm | IP Logged | 7
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Ummm...I thought the ruby quartz BLOCKED the beams(absorbed them?dispersed them?) (as do eyelid membranes) and the visor lets them out in a safe manner by momentarily removing the barrier.
Being harmlessly absorbed or dispersed by a material does make the beams seem like a form of electromagnetic energy with optical propeties rather than a columnated beam of matter. BUT they could also be some exotic unknown thing that behaves like light in some respects.
The beam itself might be a secondary effect where he heats air into a plasma and projects it forward. I dunno.
How do the beams respond to magnetic fields? Are they mostly doing heat or kinetic damage? Is any kinetic damage suffered by a target isotropic or directional? Does it shake stuff apart, pull it apart, burn it, cause molecular disintegration, or just smash into things like a hammer?
Or maybe we could just call it a cool special effect and not pick it apart too much.
Edited by Emery Calame on 10 November 2007 at 4:02pm
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Miguel Montenegro Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 November 2007 at 10:02pm | IP Logged | 8
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Now in color :)
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Larry Morris Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 November 2007 at 12:44am | IP Logged | 9
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<<I've purchased and read the first three TPB volumes of Astonishing X-Men and what I took away from the series was that Whedon made it a point to establish Cyclops as an intelligent, capable, leader who was nobody's "boyscout." In fact, I got the feeling that Whedon was making it a point to build up Scott while taking slight digs at fan favs like Wolverine.>>
Ya see, I liked the boyscout. In my experience on the net, the term is usually used as a pejorative. IMO, intelligent, capable leader and boyscout are not mutually exclusive. Being one doesn't automatically preclude Scott from being the other. Captain America is a boyscout and isn't he generally considered the best leader in the Marvel Universe?
I've seen Logan fans who don't like how Whedon has handled him. That's he's underused him, used him for comic relief, stuff like that. Actually, I thought Logan was the one X Man that Morrison portrayed pretty well.
Didn't Whedon reveal that Scott "choose" not to control his optic blasts? That it was actually a psychlogical problem rather than a physical one. I remember not liking the idea from the sound of it, but I never actually read the story.
<<How do the beams respond to magnetic fields? Are they mostly doing heat or kinetic damage? Is any kinetic damage suffered by a target isotropic or directional? Does it shake stuff apart, pull it apart, burn it, cause molecular disintegration, or just smash into things like a hammer?>>
I think the latter. Scott's beams are concussive. They're pure force.
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Vishwas Aragam Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 November 2007 at 12:50am | IP Logged | 10
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Any Cyclops fan would love this week's issue of Astonishing X-men. I haven't seen him this awesome in a while.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 November 2007 at 12:59am | IP Logged | 11
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Captain America is a boyscout and isn't he generally considered the best leader in the Marvel Universe?
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Even when not used as a pejorative, there is a connotation of naivete associated with the term "boy scout", and that definitely does not fit Captain America (or Superman, who often gets saddled with that term.)
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Kevin Hagerman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 November 2007 at 1:06am | IP Logged | 12
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I think the best description of Captain America's leadership came from Frank Miller: A man with a voice that could command a god - and does.
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