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Ron Chevrier
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Oh man, I never thought of that: Cyclops' eye beams vs Black Bolt's voice, both at full strength. What a match-up!
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Brad Krawchuk
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Not reading Messiah Complex - if I hear good things I'll buy the HC.
My favourite Cyclops scene in recent memory though is from Whedon's Astonishing X-Men. Lockheed, Colossus, Wolverine, and Cyclops get attacked in front of the school my a damaged Sentinel, and Scott orders the others to attack... then pulls them back, telling them to get behind him.
He pulls off is visor, says "I want this thing off my lawn" and in a panel of red flattens the Sentinel and much of the surrounding trees.
Wolverine's response - "Every now and then I know why you're the one in charge"
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Michael Huber
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"Cyclops' eye beams vs Black Bolt's voice, both at full strength. What a match-up! "
sounds like 2 unconcious heroes to me
Edited by Michael Huber on 09 November 2007 at 6:14pm
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Ron Chevrier
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Oh pish! Take all the fun out of it, why don't you?
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Al Cook
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"He pulls off is visor, says "I want this thing off my lawn" and in a panel of
red flattens the Sentinel and much of the surrounding trees.
Wolverine's response - "Every now and then I know why you're the one in
charge""
I read Whedon's run here (being a big Firefly/Buffy/Angel fan) and that scene
could have been so great -- if they'd paired Whedon up with someone who
could have drawn it.
But I know what you mean - every now and then somebody remembers who
these characters are.
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Andrew W. Farago
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"Cyclops' eye beams vs Black Bolt's voice, both at full strength. What a match-up! "
sounds like 2 unconcious heroes to me
Sounds like Cyclops getting vaporized to me. Hardly anything trumps Black Bolt's voice as a weapon. He only cuts loose with it about once every five years (real time), which shows a lot of restraint on the part of the creative teams that have handled him.
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Aaron Smith
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I agree with Andrew. I also think Black Bolt's voice could cover a much wider area than Scott's optic blasts.
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Ron Chevrier
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But do Cyclops' eye beams travel at the speed of light? Does he get the drop on Black Bolt before the king of the Inhumans can utter a peep?
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Paul Kimball
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I still don't believe the hulk could stand up to Black bolt's voice.
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Larry Morris
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<<I think it is a bit exaggerated to claim that Scott has been portrayed as a wuss for all the yeas between the old Claremont days and the Whedon days. In X-Factor he was troubled because his wife and son were missing and his dead ex love had returned. Scott's love life has been rather messy ever since Madelyne showed up. And yet, Cyclops has been seen as dynamic and full of good leadership qualities in many stories by Simonson, Lobdel, Nicieza, Claremont, Milligan. Morrison of course messed him up even more with showing him as an idiot drunk and also someone who kisses an enemy over the grave of his wife.>>
I agree. People paint with these incredibly broad brushes. I used to always be irked by the Scott's been a dick since UXM 201 or X Factor 1. As if the Scott that Lobdell or Nicieza wrote was the same as Layton's or early Simonson.
They were so turned of by what happened with Maddie that I hink it may have skewed their perception of the character afterward. They can't get past that.
That's me now. For me, what he did under Morrison has to be undone. It can't be fixed by writing him better now. Difference is that I'm not claiming that he's being written poorly now, or being written the way that Morrison did. I don't read the issues to really know, but I have an idea of what's going on.
They can write him as the greatest leader the Marvel Universe ever had and I'm not buying it unless they remove his culpability in the affair with Emma.
I was just reading someone raving over what Whedon did with him in the latest Astonishing. I read several comments on how badass he was. I remember reading an interview where Whedon said he had been holding himself back from being the badass he always should have been. Maybe it's just me. I don't think Scott should be badass. Kickass, yes, not badass.
The way I view him, the badasses, like Logan, play off the more straight laced character, the Scott and Jeans.
There was an earlier comment that he's always been a brooder. Not always, not nearly. Stan Lee and early Roy Thomas, yes. Later Thomas, Arnold Drake, Thomas/Adams, no way. I could give you several adjectives to describe the Cyclops that John Byrne wrote in Hiden Years and brooding isn't among them.
The early tragic Cyclops, filled with pathos, is gone after 30 issues.
From what I understand, Xavier now has about as many dark secrets as Carter's has little pills. Is Scott no longer being particularly enamored of him character development or a byproduct of the asshole they seem to have turned Xavier into? Claremont's Cyclops used to disagree with Xavier occasionally.
From what I know about Black Bolt, I'd say that Cyclops is out of his league there. He's not THAT powerful and his visor gives him a measure of control that Black Bolt doesn't have. I see Scott's leadership and straegic qualities as being about as pronounced as his optic blasts. If you've read the X Men, and someone says Cyclops, I think many are just as likely to think leader of the team as the guy who shoots beams out of his eyes.
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Ron Chevrier
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From what I remember of Cyclops back when I was reading and enjoying the (single) title, I was always impressed that Cyclops' leadership abilities and abilities as a strategist in battle made him second to Captain America. Now you don't see so much of that, even in the Whedon scripted title, which is the only one I currently read.
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Robert White
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That might have more to do with modern comics being more focused on character interaction over, well, action, than Cyclops inexplicably losing his strategic skills, Ron.
I've purchased and read the first three TPB volumes of Astonishing X-Men and what I took away from the series was that Whedon made it a point to establish Cyclops as an intelligent, capable, leader who was nobody's "boyscout." In fact, I got the feeling that Whedon was making it a point to build up Scott while taking slight digs at fan favs like Wolverine.
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