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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 07 November 2007 at 12:07am | IP Logged | 1  

Granted, I would normally not be focussed on all this stuff, but neither
would I be focussed on a quarter-inch circle on the Cyborg Merc's chest
either. I might be able to limit my focus to something the size of a human
head at that distance. I dunno.

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A person with 20/20 vision can resolve a spatial difference of one minute
of arc. Meaning at 50 feet, you would be able to discern an object
[tan(1/60)*600 inches =] .17 inches wide.

When you are talking about eye tracking, you are usually referring to
foveating something. The fovea, which is responsible for most of your
visual acuity and almost all of your color vision, only makes up one
degree of visual angle on your retina.

Not really going anywhere with this. Just throwing out random eye facts.


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Posted: 07 November 2007 at 12:38am | IP Logged | 2  

Eye-Tracking and general perception is one thing... but we're talking about a
guy who constantly emits cosmic energy from his eyes. All bets are off about
what is normal for us compared to what is 'normal' for him.

With extensive training and experience, this guy can blast a wide beam all
the way down to a narrow ray. Combine this with honed leadership qualities,
strategy and stoic nobility, this guy is one uncanny X-man.
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Posted: 08 November 2007 at 10:09am | IP Logged | 3  

I just read the Messiah CompleX one-shot last night, and I too really enjoyed how they portrayed Cyclops.  Also just saw some preview pages from Part II of the crossover and it seems they're sticking to the confident leader characterization.  I don't know if it's a result of the (not yet finished) Astonishing X-Men story or Brubaker is just writing him really well.  Whatever the case, I'm enjoying it.

By the way, JB awesome drawing of the Cassaday costume.

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Kirk Melton III
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Posted: 08 November 2007 at 4:54pm | IP Logged | 4  

JB once again nails a character with little to no trouble.

I can recall reading one interview where he slimmed the folddown boots of Cyclops down because the flaired ones that Cockrum drew made him into a 'swashbuckler' and S. Summers/Cyclops was HARDLY that.

cut to what...30 years later and the 'wetsuit' look is ROCKIN from both Cassaday and JB.

Cyclops was always a brooder and this version of his costume (uniform?) fully reflected this, to me.

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Andrew W. Farago
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On the controversial Storm vs. Cyclops battle:

There was definitely an agenda of knocking Scott down a peg to justify him leaving the X-Men altogether, so it made sense to portray him as distracted and conflicted to explain just how Storm could defeat him. Unfortunately, he was so thoroughly beat down by the battle that he's been portrayed as a bit of a sad sack ever since, which kind of misses the point of having a bold, dynamic, ready-for-action leader character on your roster. He's shown hints of being a great leader since then, but he's mostly been shown as a "woe-is-me," conflicted sort of guy, which is probably why fans have turned against him so much in the past 20 years.

If I remember correctly, though, it was fairly plausible that Storm could beat Cyclops in the Danger Room scenario that she'd planned for their confrontation. She set things up to favor her own talents and abilities while working against Scott's. The big handicap that goes along with his power is that he's got to use it very precisely and carefully. Put him in a scenario where visibility isn't so great, or where he doesn't want to risk punching a hole through one of his teammates (or his enemies), and you can severely limit his ability to use his own powers. Storm (and Chris Claremont) came up with a way to prevent Cyclops from using his powers very effectively at all, and that allowed Storm to get the upper hand.

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JB, the image reminds me why Scott was always my favorite X-Man. He was the guy whose destructive power was uncontrolled, except by his visor-- and as a result, he always had to be IN CONTROL. I thought that made him way cool. He has an aspect of the same tragedy Ben Grimm does. Wherever he goes, there won't be a minute he can forget exactly who he is and what he can do with a stray glance. One moment of carelessness...

If you think that makes him "a dick," you have no idea who Cyclops is and why.

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"Not really going anywhere with this. Just throwing out random eye facts."

Don't know why, but this phrase alone made me smile...
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Thanos Kollias
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Posted: 09 November 2007 at 2:05am | IP Logged | 8  

I think it is a bit exaggerated to claim that Scott has been portrayed as a wuss for all the yeas between the old Claremont days and the Whedon days. In X-Factor he was troubled because his wife and son were missing and his dead ex love had returned. Scott's love life has been rather messy ever since Madelyne showed up. And yet, Cyclops has been seen as dynamic and full of good leadership qualities in many stories by Simonson, Lobdel, Nicieza, Claremont, Milligan. Morrison of course messed him up even more with showing him as an idiot drunk and also someone who kisses an enemy over the grave of his wife.
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Stop the presses!

JB, what an incredible rendition of the modern Cyclops costume.

Okay, back to discussing Cyclops. I need to read all six pages before I add anything else to this discussion.

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Martin Redmond
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I've got a question for X-Men fans. Since Charles owns the school yet Cyclops & the White Queen keep treating him badly.

1- What the hell is Scott even still doing at the school if he hates Xavier? He's a grown man, he's also sleeping with a millionaire.

2- Why doesn't Xavier kick those 2 idiots out of his property? He's the one who made them head masters.

In that regard, isn't the current drama infantile nonsense?

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1- I don't think Cyclops hates Xavier.  I think he's disappointed him/seeing him in a new light based on the revalations (like them or lump them) from Deadly Genesis and the Danger storyline in Astonishing X-Men. 

2-Because Xavier realizes the above maybe?

I don't think it's "infantile nonsense."  You could look at as Cyclops seeing Prof. Xavier as a person, instead of the idealized fatehr figure he saw him as before, and trying to deal with that, but that's just me.

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Posted: 09 November 2007 at 5:17pm | IP Logged | 12  

I like the idea of portraying Cyclops as someone who fights and/or uses his power as a last resort in the same way that Black Bolt of the Inhumans does.  Black Bolt can't really control his power like Cyclops can so it isn't exactly the same but in both cases if they cut loose and just want to win a fight, I don't see them failing.

As a leader, isn't it generally more prudent to stay out of a fight anyway?  To beat an opponent without resorting to violence would be more of an indicator of Cyclops' strategical ability in my opinion.  Then when he does decide to fight, oh boy, look out!

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