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Donald Miller
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I was under the impression that the visor helped him focus his beam as well as be able to see without destroying stuff...
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Oh, this explains it all....
Edited to add image
Edited by Donald Miller on 06 November 2007 at 2:24pm
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Victor Rodgers
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I don't really think Storm could take Cyclops in a straight up no powers fight.
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Eric Smearman
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Powerless Mohawk Storm beating Cyclops in combat was the beginning of the end of my reading X-MEN on any kind of regular basis. I didn't buy it then or now.
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Michael Andrew Gonoude
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JB's reply to the question, "How long did it take you? (to pencil that dynamic, iconic Cyclops drawing)": "'Bout twenty minutes"
Son of a [CENSORED]
I was too stunned to say this yesterday, but, I'm going home and breaking all my pencils, and shredding every piece of drawing paper in the house! "TWENTY MINUTES?!?" I friggin' GIVE UP!
(I know, I've threatened this before, but this time --twenty minutes! Jeeezus!)
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Nathan Greno
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Eric: Powerless Mohawk Storm beating Cyclops in combat was the beginning of
the end of my reading X-MEN on any kind of regular basis. I didn't buy
it then or now.
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That's interesting because I also checked out after that issue. I still bought Uncanny for another 4 or 5 issues -- but the fun seemed to be done and I moved on to other comics.
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Greg Scarborough
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To answer Jim Muir's question, in the past, Cyclops has demonstrated the ability to use his optic blasts without the visor. The problem is, without the visor, he has to keep his eyes closed to keep from constantly shooting his beam. I'm not sure how much extra precision/focus/control the visor gives him.
One more point in the whole, "if he looks at it, he hits it" argument:
When I look at something, my scope of vision is a cone, expanding ever-outward to the limit of my visual capability. In other words, when I look at some Hellfire Club cyborg mercenary at, say, 50 feet away, I'm seeing his whole body, and the ground beneath his feet, and the scenery behind him, and any little shrub or office chair in the foreground within that cone, even if it isn't directly in line with him.
Granted, I would normally not be focussed on all this stuff, but neither would I be focussed on a quarter-inch circle on the Cyborg Merc's chest either. I might be able to limit my focus to something the size of a human head at that distance. I dunno.
So within that large circle of focus, what determines where the narrow beam hits? Also it would seem to me that any small twitch in his head neck or eyes would make the beam go wildly astray, getting more and more off target the farther it goes. Sure it could be corrected in an instant, but how much damage would a concussive force beam cause in a major city in one instant of being off target?
The more I think about it, the more problematic Cyclops' beams become. Better to treat them the same as everyone else's beam powers, I think. Which is fine. That's why it's a comic.
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Ray Brady
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Until I see an example in the comics of Scott's beams shooting anywhere but
dead ahead, I have to assume that he aims with his head, not his eyes.
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John Byrne
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ntil I see an example in the comics of Scott's beams shooting anywhere but
dead ahead, I have to assume that he aims with his head, not his eyes.
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How do you know you haven't seen the beams shooting other than
straight ahead? In all the thousands upon thousand upon thousand of
drawings of Cyclops, from above, from below, from the left, from the right,
from angles, up close, at long distances. . . how do you know?
I've drawn the character hundreds of times, and I would not swear on
a stack of Ayn Rand that every single shot was 90° to the visor.
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Paul Kimball
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I'm in the "cyclops aims with his head" group as well as long as he's wearing
his visor.
Have to say that I always thought there was something very cool about the
way he looked firing the visor in street clothes by lifting the glasses.
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Jesus Garcia
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Well, if Scott would be able to aim with eye movement and not strictly with head movement wouldn't the following orientations be possible? Not sure they'd look "right" if actually drawn (except for the top left).
Edited by Jesus Garcia on 06 November 2007 at 10:55pm
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John Byrne
Remember when Scott was the cool one? Before the changing audience decided it was o-so-uncool to possess the kinds of qualities he was known for -- decency, honesty, quiet nobility. .
I think your Scott was cool. But the Scott that Lee & Kirby cooked up seemed stuck up and priggish to me. I remember one of the early Lee & Kirby X-Men issues where the schoolmates were having breakfast and Hank was reaching over for a dish across the table. Scott eye-blasted Hank's away (and reprimanded him) to let him know that he should have been polite and have asked someone to pass the dish over.
Seems to be that he could simply have asked Hank to be polite instead of using his power in such a cavalier manner. I can well imagine what the people behind the X-Men movie franchise might have made of this scene if they'd researched the early source material.
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Mark Haslett
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I'm in the "cyclops aims with his head" group as well as long as he's wearing
his visor.
Have to say that I always thought there was something very cool about the
way he looked firing the visor in street clothes by lifting the glasses.
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Bit of a contradiction there because when he lifts his glasses, he has no visor and he has done this repeatedly throughout his career -- aiming downward and in focused little beams.
I agree with folks who say it shouldn't be quantified to death, but it shouldn't be discounted to the point that Storm without powers can "dodge" his beams. He doesn't shoot through the keyhole of a lock by "moving his head."
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