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Paulo Pereira
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Seems kind of odd that they would fight for leadership in the first place.
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Mark Haslett
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I never got the rational behind the idea that he hits whatever he looks
at. I have never seen anything to support that, other than the
extrapolation from the fact that he shoots from his eyes and therefore
the beams go where he looks. Faulty logic.
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Where is the "fault"? The fault is in the de facto existence of incidents where he has "missed" -- a completely illogical occurance given that the light beams shoot out of his eyes at whatever he looks at. Either he can control them by shooting at what he looks at... or he can't. But the way it is played by some writers is somewhere in the middle -- which follows no logic.
Still, I don't see how someone without superpowers could "dodge" Cyclops blasts unless he wasn't aiming at that person.
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Brian Mayer
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I thought Wedon's line was fine. It in no way took anything away from the movie for me. As a matter of fact, as old as the "which one is real" convention is, that was one of my favorite ways of ending it.
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Ray Brady
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Hmm. Along the lines of what Wayde was saying, I would assume that, as
long as Cyclops is wearing his visor, his optic blasts will always travel dead
ahead, not necessarily where he is looking. Hitting his targets would
therefore require the ability to keep his head steady, regardles of where his
eyes were tracking.
Thus, even if you aren't quick enough to dodge his blasts, you still might be
able to move quickly or erratically enough to throw his aim off.
On a separate note, was the Sub-Mariner the first person Cyclops ever
actually hit with his blast? I can't remember him hitting anyone else in the
first 5 issues.
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Greg Scarborough
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Here's my take on the various subjects this thread has split off into:
1) Cyclops versus Storm: I didn't catch the storyline where they fought an actual duel over leadership of the X-Men, but the whole concept seems silly to me. The best one-on-one fighter isn't always the best choice for leader.
2) I'd put my money on Cyclops versus a non-powered Storm. Against Storm with her full powers, I think Cyc might be in trouble - especially in an open, outdoor environment where she could use fog to obscure Cyclops' aim, and area effect attacks to hurt him without seeing him (low temperatures, high winds, etc).
3) The question of Cyclops being able to always hit his target: REALISTICALLY speaking, it could be argued that Cyclops would have a hard time missing, provided his powers work as "what he sees, he hits".
Of course, more important than realism in a comic is genre convention, which states that any attack can be dodged if the opponent is badass enough. Daredevil and Batman are essentially normal (highly trained and skilled) humans that can dodge close-range automatic weapon fire. Not likely in a "realistic" setting.
Even more importantly than genre convention is actual comic "history" which shows that on occasion, against highly skilled foes, Cyclops' beams are dodgeable.
4) Cyclops characterization: I've been annoyed by Cyclops' messed-up characterization since the early '90's... but I guess he's been an asshole for over a decade, so who's to say which version is "right"? I'm sure the Captain America of the '40's had a different personality than the introspective and sensitive hero of the 70's and 80's
Aww hell, screw it... the "right" characterization is ALWAYS the one that I like, for all comic characters. And the Cyclops I prefer is the Cyclops of the 70's and early 80's.
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John Byrne
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I never got the rational behind the idea that he hits whatever he looks at. I have never seen anything to support that, other than the extrapolation from the fact that he shoots from his eyes and therefore the beams go where he looks. Faulty logic. Just like saying that Dazzler can't "miss" when she points at something (and we KNOW that her beams travel at the sped of light because they ARE light).•• 'Fraid it's your "logic" that's faulty. Dazzler pointing is like anybody else with a handheld weapon. Try it with a flashlight or a laser pointer. Do you hit the target every time? But your eyes do, don't they? The fact that you are looking at something means you have already "hit" it. Literally in Scott's case.
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Aaron Smith
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Seems kind of odd that they would fight for leadership in the first place.
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Bingo! There's no way an in-character Scott Summers would have gone for that. There was always a certain "family element" to the X-Men. These people were brought together by Xavier and lived and fought together. Cyclops was "Number One Son."
So we suddenly have a storyline where Xavier vanishes, leaves the team's deadliest enemy to run the school, the two team leaders DUEL over who gets to lead the team.....and Xavier's main "disciple" loses and just gives up and walks away?
It just doesn't work!
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Chris Durnell
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Ii may not have made sense, but it did set up the original version of X-Factor, which was all about Professor X's original students deciding the X-Men were no longer following the dream of the Professor, and therefore it was up to them to do so. There were several references to that early in the Layton/Guice run. I even remember a comment about how horrifying it was that Magneto was technically in charge of the school.
That is something very powerful emotionally - the idea that the father's legacy has been betrayed and that it is up to his children to fulfill it. It would have given X-Factor a hard edge, especially when they finally met the other X-Men team.
I think that it X-Facor had concentrated on that angle, as opposed to the gimmick of mutants posing as mutant hunters, the series would have been much better for it.
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Aaron Smith
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I think that it X-Facor had concentrated on that angle, as opposed to the gimmick of mutants posing as mutant hunters, the series would have been much better for it.
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I agree. I also think that they would have confronted the X-Men about it much sooner, rather than later.
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Miguel Montenegro
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I inked over that drawing of JB. Not sure if there's a particular thread to post these takes or if we can post them at all, but here it is. Hope you like it. :)
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Donald Miller
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Wasn't the original already inked?
Don
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Jim Muir
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I have no examples and my memory is hazy on the subject... but havent we seen many times in comics and cartoons Scott without his glasses and the laser light just splurging out of his eyes in every direction?
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