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Aaron Smith
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| Posted: 14 October 2007 at 4:21pm | IP Logged | 1
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Its just bad writing. Laziness, the urge to try to shock, and the annoying habit of needing to reveal everything. Wolverine used to be a character that made readers use their imaginations. We knew just enough about him to make the mystery interesting. Up until about the late 80s, just enough was revealed. After that, the character was destroyed.
Certain characters need to have a PAST, meaning that we meet them at a certain age, and they have a certain quality that comes from experience and having been there-done that-seen to much. We, as the readers, don't need to know what made him like this, only that he IS this way now.
Wolverine is such a character as this. James Bond is another example of this. We don't need to know about every detail of his life up until the beginning of Casino Royale (the boook, not the movie) Fleming, with Bond, and JB and Claremont, with Logan, did superb jobs of letting the readers know that these guys had seen a lot, without ruining the potential for the reader's mind to fill in the blanks.
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Victor Rodgers
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Perhaps, but not to the extent that he would open himself up to be slaughtered like a pig.
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I agree, but I could see him leaving himself open to being stabbed or shot. Because he knows the healing factor will save him.
Im getting the feeling an interesting storyline would be Wolverine losing the healing factor.
Edited by Victor .R. Rodgers on 14 October 2007 at 4:38pm
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Paulo Pereira
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I can certainly see how he'd let himself get stabbed as a way to defeat his foe.
As for the loss of healing factor, I think that's been done to some extent; maybe not a complete loss but I can recall a time where it was severely reduced.
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 14 October 2007 at 4:57pm
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Roque Martinez
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| He also cites X-MEN Annual 11, the story where Wolverine was "down to
a single drop of blood," which seems to be misremembering the story.
He wasn't "down to a single drop of blood." Rather, his heart was
pulled out by the bad guy and a drop of Logan's blood fell on an
enormously powerful crystal that the villain was guarding, enabling
Wolverine to generate a new body (his old body was still lying a few
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Thank you. Sometimes I believe I'm the only who has actually read that annual, because every writer or fan who references it seems to forget that tiny little detail about THE POWERFUL MAGICAL CRYSTAL.
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Paulo Pereira
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I'm actually wondering if that crystal wouldn't have done the same for anyone. After all, it was a magic crystal.
Edit: just took a look at the comic and it does mention his healing factor; so I was mistaken.
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 14 October 2007 at 5:38pm
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Taavi Suhonen
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| Posted: 14 October 2007 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | 6
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QUOTE:
| Im getting the feeling an interesting storyline would be Wolverine losing the healing factor. |
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This was kind of done when he lost the adamantium. The healing factor
was too busy fixing the damage caused by Magneto pulling the adamantium
out that it couldn't heal anything else.
Edited by Taavi Suhonen on 14 October 2007 at 5:33pm
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Michael Roberts
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The healing factor was too busy fixing the damage caused by Magneto
pulling the adamantium out that it couldn't heal anything else.
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And it took away his nose. (I couldn't quite figure that one out.)
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Rick Whiting
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I could be wrong, but I think writers started amping up Wolverine's healing factor after an article in an issue of Wizard Magazine from about 7 or 8 years ago where they said that they would like to see Garth Ennis write Wolverine because he would push Wolverine's healing factor to it's limits. It seems to me that some of the writers on Wolverine are trying to write Wolverine the way they think Ennis would write him, which according to that Wizard article, is to up the physical damage to Wolverine and push his healing factor to the limit.
OMT, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who remembers that Wolverine's healing factor was magically enhanced in UXM annual #11 when he regenerated a brand new body from a single drop of his blood. I think some fans and creators either (a) are ignoring what actually happened in that issue (b) are misremembering that issue or(c)are in total denial about the events in that issue.
Edited by Rick Whiting on 14 October 2007 at 11:16pm
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Thomas Moudry
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I grew weary of Wolverine when he basically started appearing EVERYWHERE.
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Ed Love
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I just don't see Wolverine as being this top fighter in terms of skill. He doesn't need to be. He has a metal skeleton, claws and a healing factor. He knows going into a fight there is very little that can actually do lasting damage to him. It may hurt, a lot. However, he's like a boxer that can take punishment. He may not be able to out-finesse his opponent, but he can outlast him. And, that makes him a bit reckless. He's strong and willing to take some pain to get in close. Take away his healing factor and skeleton, and you have someone that should easily get beaten by the likes of Daredevil. (A similar problem I have with Captain America, just when did he get the training to be THE top fighter in the Marvel U.? He had top training ala USA in 1940, for what? Six months? A year? And while he fought in the War, it was against mostly normal people with guns, not other master fighters. While he should be very skilled, he should still be outclassed in skill by Shang-Chi or Iron Fist who had been trained in martial arts since childhood. And it's not like we ever see Cap training with masters of various disciplines, he's the one always doing the training).
My chief problem with Wolverine though is not with him per se. It was with everyone else trying to create their own Wolverine either in attitude or confusing laziness/bad writing with mysterious past. While being a mutant absolves you somewhat with getting away from doing an origin, origin stories provide more than just explanation for the powers. They also give context and motivation. But, in the 90's we'd have seeming whole teams of "Wolverines", characters without pasts and mysterious motivations. One of the things that sank the Doom Patrol right before JB's I feel was that very problem. None of the characters existed beyond the "now". We got no real motivating factor as to why they were superheroes other than they had powers, no hint as to how they got to point they were in the first issue. It seemed superheroes had gotten to the point that one, we accept people having superpowers without needing an explanation as to how they got that way and two, that just having the powers means you chose to either fight crime or fight superheroes. One of the things I liked about Northstar was he was refreshingly self-interested and motivated, that he had to be blackmailed into being a superhero. Probably a lot more like us than most of us would like to admit.
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Jim Muir
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<<his soul goes to a place where he has to fight a character named Lazear. If he wins, goes back to his fully-healed body>>
I didnt realise it was April 1st already.
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John Byrne
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Sometimes I believe I'm the only who has actually read that annual, because
every writer or fan who references it seems to forget that tiny little detail
about THE POWERFUL MAGICAL CRYSTAL.
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A.k.a. the incredibly lame deus ex machina?
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