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Eric Lund
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Curious if it was a specific incident to make him go from your adopted character in the X-Men to one you loath now.
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John Byrne
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When did I say I loathe Wolverine?
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Eric Lund
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uninterested in?
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John Byrne
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Wolverine is like Batman. He must be considered as "the good parts" in
order for the character to work. There is a good, solid character there, but
unfortunately a bunch of featherweight talent whose best ideas are to do "all
the great bits" instead of considering the impact on the character, have
drilled a lot of holes in that character.
I dont' think THIS could be seen as the work of someone who "loathes" or is "uninterested in" the character.
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Daniel Kendrick
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How about altering the question this way.
JB, what incident do you believe caused Wolverine to stop "being" Wolverine?
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John Byrne
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There is no single incident. It's an accumulation of bad ideas.
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Vinny Valenti
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In light of what it lead to, Wolverine probably should never have met Mariko.
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Daniel Kendrick
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IMHO Weapon X was the start, Origins was the "final cut"
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Donald Miller
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I think if he could have stayed a mystery with only glimpses of a past, and a member of a team instead of going of solo. Marvel should probably not have built an empire based on him.
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Flavio Sapha
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I felt something was amiss when Marvel did the Woverine/Havok mini-series.
For the first time, they gave me exactly what I wanted!
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Flavio Sapha
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JB, did you have an opinion on the Wolverine solo series up to the point when you did an arc with Archie Goodwin?
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Matt Reed
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BWS' Weapon X was OK because it still kept a ton of mystery about the character. It didn't show us a whole lot that we hadn't already seen before, just embellishing it a little bit. ORIGINS was Wolverine's death as far as I'm concerned. It turned this nifty little berserker character whose history was a cloud, into a character with a defined backstory so ridiculous that it even included a Jean Grey "avatar" to explain why he has always had a crush on her. It also defined another cool character in Sabertooth. In all instances, it sucked the mystery right out of Wolverine and made him a run-of-the-mill superhero, albeit one that's over 100 years old. Blech.
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