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Paul Greer
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| Posted: 20 March 2008 at 3:20pm | IP Logged | 1
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Think of it this way Ari. After someone like JB retires how many Ghost Rider pieces will be available compared to Superman pieces? I'm going to make the leap and say there will be less Ghost Rider available. Now if a collector is in the market to buy a JB Ghost Rider they may be willing to pay more than they would a Superman. Superman is more popular and his pieces will be easier to sell. But there could be a niche market that values a less popular character that an artist didn't draw as frequently. Only time will tell.
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Dave Aikins
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| Posted: 20 March 2008 at 3:35pm | IP Logged | 2
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You guys are so silly!
Everyone has a different view on commissions and value and resale and etc...
and it's all based on their own financial stability and priorities.
Someone with a bunch of cash or a different sense of priorities can sit back and claim that their collection of high-priced commissions of Brother Power, the Geek, is there because it makes them happy, and not for resale.
Great!
Others might have to justify a $1000 commission by thinking that batman and Superman will suit the artist better and hold the value more in the event that the art needs to be sold.
Great!
Others will look at someone who spent $1000 on a drawing of Batman and Superman and think they are truely the dumbest person on the face of the planet.
Great!
The only time it gets sad, to me, is when folks try to sell free doddles on eBay...
As for value discussions, that is something that has been going on in art for ages. You just have to trust your tastes and finances, and not expect an exact resale value. Some go up, some go down. same with any other investment .
If you think of them as an investment.
However, if you're spending thousands of dollars on art, and you don't have a need to consider it an investmanet...
you must be doing pretty well$$$$$$....
or have a really undertanding wife/husband/family...
or a wacky sense of finance!
wow, ranting is fun!
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Paul Greer
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| Posted: 20 March 2008 at 3:44pm | IP Logged | 3
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I think we can all agree that people who sell free doodles on eBay should be publicly whipped.
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stuart knight
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| Posted: 20 March 2008 at 3:49pm | IP Logged | 4
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Bastardos; I hate people who sell freebies.
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Dave Aikins
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| Posted: 20 March 2008 at 3:53pm | IP Logged | 5
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see, we can all get along!
stupid jerks selling doodles...
I mean, ya see an auction that says "Matt Wagner batman sketch", and ya think "this should be cool!"
and it's a stupid free doodle.
jerks.
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Aric Shapiro
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| Posted: 20 March 2008 at 4:35pm | IP Logged | 6
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Paul,
Again, I do not disagree that if JB retires the value of the commissions will increase. I've said that all along. I am talking about the here and now and the forseeable future, and John is NOT retiring or dying, ceratainly not without due notice to Joakim.
Now that we've beaten this to death, I am all for trashing people who sell free sketches/doodles on eBay. Those sales make artists want to stop doing sketches at cons or start charging for them
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Wilson Mui
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| Posted: 20 March 2008 at 7:30pm | IP Logged | 7
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Why is it so bad to sell doodles?
The recipient of doodle paid admission to get into the convention. It is all part of the package if you ask me. In some cases, the artist may even be paid to attend the convention. To me, it is like getting a few button at a Star Trek convention and selling it 25 years later.
(For the record, I have never gotten a free doodle or sold one before.)
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Dave Aikins
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| Posted: 20 March 2008 at 7:54pm | IP Logged | 8
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Wilson-
It's not THAT big of a deal. If an artist does a free doodle, they really can't
care were it's going, or if it's going on eBay.
What stibks is that many times, such doodle is put up on eBay, and
described as more then what it is...
a free doodle.
So you get these 10 second doodles that are on ebay with an opening bid
of $20. Many times the seller doesn't know who did the doodle.Heck,
we've even seen people cover over the personalization before putting it
on ebay...
It's a bit of bad karma, it's a bit of bad form, it's a bit annoying (in an
eye-rolling way).
As an artist at a con, I sometimes do free sketches, as do friends of mine.
We don't make a whole lot at these shows, and tables and hotels cost us
a bunch. When we see a free sketch of ours sold on eBay, it says "geez,
maybe I should have charged for that". See that too many times, and it
gets old. You think "wow, that could've paid for lunch". And you stop
dong free sketches. You also think "wow, that bad drawing I did sold for
$20!"...
Again, it's not a big deal, as someone might really want a doodle, but
can't ever get to a con- making eBay one of the few options.
It's just kinda tacky.
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Paul Greer
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| Posted: 20 March 2008 at 8:13pm | IP Logged | 9
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I know selling doodles on eBay has really upset artists like Sergio Aragones and Stan Sakai. I already feel con sketches have become overpriced because of eBay, I'd hate to think artists will start charging for quickie sketches to offset this trend. It's a free market, but I agree with Dave that it comes across as tacky.
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Dave Aikins
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| Posted: 20 March 2008 at 8:33pm | IP Logged | 10
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bill sienkiewicz was charging $20 for a "free doodle" at wizard world
chicago.
unless you didn't ask, in which case he might do one for free.
He was getting a bit fed up with eBay.
Stan Sakai was one of the victims of the lovely "personalization-covered-up"
ebay auctions...
Fun!
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Wilson Mui
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| Posted: 20 March 2008 at 9:21pm | IP Logged | 11
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I wonder how Sergio feels about Xmas cards and postcards he has sent to friends over the years. A few with doodles have ended up on eBay.
Dave, I agree hiding the personalization is misleading.
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Lars Sandmark
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| Posted: 21 March 2008 at 12:42pm | IP Logged | 12
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Dave wrote..."Bill Sienkiewicz was charging $20..."
23 years ago I paid 10 dollars for a Sienkiewicz sketch
at a store signing. (Marc Spector)
So considering inflation rates, 20 bucks isn't too bad.
(over the course of twenty+ years he's ONLY doubled his
sketch fee.)
-'course $10 was worth alot more back then, especially
to the young kid I was.
...And I am considering selling it to a guy who's been asking.
edit to correct spelling
Edited by Lars Sandmark on 21 March 2008 at 12:43pm
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