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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 30 September 2007 at 11:43am | IP Logged | 1  

Superman beat Captain Thunder with the Masterlock?!

TAKE THAT, CHRIS MASTERS!!!


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DC should have just renamed (re-renamed?) the character Captain Thunder in order to get around Marvel's trademark.  It's a really cool name by itself, and would look better on a cover and be less confusing than "Shazam!"
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Yeah, but it would still kind of suck to have to rename the original Captain Marvel. Why didn't DC just trademark the name when they acquired the character in the first place?
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Marvel's Captain Marvel predates DC's publication of the Fawcett character
by about six years.
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Ah okay, for some reason I thought DC had bought the Fawcett characters and let them linger in limbo for several years before they published "Shazam".
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They may have. I don't recall. But publication is what matters.
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Wallace Sellars
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It's not that one, Michael.  The one I recall is much more recent.  (I do want that issue though.)

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Wallace, Zaki answered your question right after Michael's post.
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Eep!  Thanks, Ray.  I missed that.
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Jason Czeskleba
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 Michael Connell wrote:
Ah okay, for some reason I thought DC had bought the Fawcett characters and let them linger in limbo for several years before they published "Shazam".


Nope.  In fact, DC didn't even buy Captain Marvel outright when they started publishing him.  In the 70's they were licensing Captain Marvel from whoever was the current copyright holder.  It was some time later (in the 80's maybe?) that they finally did buy the rights to the character.  Besides the licensing fee, in the 70's they also actually had to pay a fee to Marvel every time the name "Captain Marvel" appeared on the cover of a comic, which is why the Shazam! book's subtitle ("The Original Captain Marvel") changed to "The World's Mightiest Mortal" starting with issue #15.  Sales were dropping, and they no longer wanted to waste money on that fee.  As far as I recall, the name "Captain Marvel" did not appear on a DC cover again for the rest of the 70's.

Who knows, it's possible Stan was inspired by Captain Marvel when he renamed the company in the early 60s.  Perhaps if the character had remained Captain Thunder, we'd now have Thunder Comics.


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I think Stan renamed Atlas Marvel because of Timely's Marvel Comics No. 1 which first featured the original Human Torch & the Sub-Mariner.
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I was just about to say that. That series ran for well over 100 issues, first called Marvel Comics, then Marvel Mystery Comics, and then Marvel Tales, so that was probably where the name came from.
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