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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 September 2007 at 10:30am | IP Logged | 1
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…the Wonder Man pic you posted has the outfit as
blue…
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No, it's black with blue highlights.
What color is the outfit in this picture?
How about this one?
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2007 at 10:41am | IP Logged | 2
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JB wrote:
...I think Havok may actually have survived his entire run in that costume without growing blue hi-lites.... |
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There are a few instances where artists added highlights, but I'd have to search them out.
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Greg Reeves Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2007 at 10:45am | IP Logged | 3
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JB, those are both clearly black, reflecting the natural light above as whitish highlights (though the first one appears to be muted light, maybe an overcast day, so it's not as stark white as the Underworld photo, but still clearly not blue). Here's a good scan of a pre-photoshop era color comparison. Storm's punk outfit is shiny black leather, and the highlights found on her form are white as they should be. Cyclops is blue, with the portions of him away from lighting represented with shadow.
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Josh Smith Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2007 at 10:45am | IP Logged | 4
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They both black!
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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 September 2007 at 10:47am | IP Logged | 5
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Cyclops is blue, with the portions of him away from
lighting represented with shadow.
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No, they are both black, just different shades.
Black, like white, is not a pure color that comes in
only one variety.
Or, by your logic, Storm's outfit is WHITE.
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Josh Smith Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2007 at 10:52am | IP Logged | 6
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Cyclops should just blast her with his laser - I always hated that story cause of that. That Uncanny 201, right?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 September 2007 at 10:54am | IP Logged | 7
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Cyclops should just blast her with his laser…
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It's not a laser. It's a beam of concussive energy.
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Greg Reeves Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2007 at 10:54am | IP Logged | 8
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QUOTE:
Black, like white, is not a pure color that comes in only one variety |
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Ok, I agree with you there, but generally a lighter black is considered a shade of grey (like Black Panther's modern outfit). Still not blue though. Here's a decent pic I found of a Nightcrawler shot where his skin (fuzzy blue) is contrasted next to his black body glove (highlighted with white lines in the neck):
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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 September 2007 at 10:57am | IP Logged | 9
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So Wolverine has blue hair?
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Josh Smith Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2007 at 10:59am | IP Logged | 10
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It's not a laser. It's a beam of concussive energy.
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That's new to me - and cool. What do I call it if I wanted to say that? It's too long to say "cyclops should blast her with his beam of concussive energy"...
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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 September 2007 at 11:01am | IP Logged | 11
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Call it a "force beam". Remember, what comes out of Scott's eyes is the same as what comes out of Alex's whole body. In Scott's case, tho, it is more tightly focused.Much trouble has been caused in this area, by writers and artists who insist on treating Scott's beam as something like a laser, and especially as if it is hot. Using it to start fires, for example. I'm told Kirby originally wanted the beam to be blue, which would have solved that problem --- tho I suppose then we would have people insisting it was icy cold!
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Greg Reeves Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2007 at 11:01am | IP Logged | 12
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I have to quote myself from above, because I see how that logic can be used in this example. Unfortunately, the coloring of black hair with blue highlights is an incorrect tradition that seems to contradict other things in the very same panel.
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So the coloring of black hair highlights as blue is wrong (and not a good justification for coloring black outfit highlights) unless the light source is blue. |
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I have to run, but I want to continue this later :-)
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