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Jeff Albertson
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Thanks for the look at the original art pages, Brian (and Thanos)! Nice stuff!
Bringing Jean back at all seems like a cheat to me, but if it was going to happen, I would have preferred the JB less ambiguous humanity's good triumphs approach slightly better than Chris Claremont's humanity has good and bad approach.
Definitely, the resurrection makes the original story much less compelling to me. I as a reader don't feel the emotion anymore, because the knowledge that Jean's alive and well and that the X-Men are better off without the Phoenix Force around to go bad (regardless of whether it was intentionally bad or whether Jean's personality couldn't handle it and got corrupted). A sign that re-reading old stories with new information is a mixed blessing, I guess.
BUT, when I read it the first time? WOW! This story was mind-blowing. I was naive enough to figure that there was no way that Jean could be brought back, and when I saw the cover I had to grab this comic. Extra-length and beautiful art (well, most of it -- I couldn't quite figure out what was off on the Guice pages -- but I had trouble figuring out that Murphy Anderson inked the Olsen and Superman heads in Kirby's Jimmy Olsen, also). Readers definitely got their money's worth on this issue.
Edited by Jeff Albertson on 17 September 2007 at 3:01pm
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David Miller
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JB: Did you discuss the contents of FF 286 with Claremont, either during the writing or some time since?
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Michael Arndt
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I agree Jeff. When I first saw this issue I was so excited. Not only is Jean Grey coming back but here is a comic with no ads and JB goodness to boot.
Never knew about the pages or dialouge being replaced. Looking back now I wish they would have done things as JB did or just not even bring the character back.
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Mark Haslett
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Here's another page, with the original dialogue on it:
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...and it just keeps getting better. Now Reed faces an actual dilemma too-- which one is this? Readers would have naturally asked too-- knowing that "Jean" sacrificed herself on the Moon, that the dead one would at least momentarily appear to be the real one in answer to Reed's question...
This original version gets the point across so much more forcefully. I finally "get" what you saw in this story JB. I confess I always liked the idea (as you explained it) of even a copy of Jean being good enough to destroy the Phoenix force better than the execution. Now I know why you always thought it actually enhanced what had come before-- what you wrote DID enhance it.
Edited by Mark Haslett on 17 September 2007 at 3:48pm
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Chris Durnell
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I peg this as the issue where everything begins to go downhill. I thought the resurrection of Jean Grey to be a huge mistake. Perhaps if JB's original intention was followed, the damage could have been contained, but I would have preferred her to never come back.
I don't put any of the damage on the people directly involved with this issue. They had no control over what would happen. But for me, the rot begins here.
But I really like the Byrne/Austin art on the pages it does appear.
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Dan Burke
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I totally bought resurrection... hook, line and sinker. I think I was so eager to see Jean back that anything was fine by me.
I even liked (the original) Maddie Pryor...
But these pages you've posted here are lightyears stronger storywise
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Ben Schwartz
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In those pre-internet days, was there "buzz" ahead of time regarding Jean Grey's return? Was the cover image and text a major shocker(or spoiler?) to those buying comics at the time?
Edited by Ben Schwartz on 17 September 2007 at 7:46pm
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Kevin Hagerman
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Vinny Valenti wrote:
| A question - the other imaged recorded alongside Jean's in the crystal - what was that supposed to be? |
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I was hoping no one would ask, and then I was hoping someone else would answer, but it looks like I get to be the bearer of bad plots. Here's what happened to the crystal: Kandor Syndrome.
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Brian Peck
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Before Avengers #263 or Fantastic Four #286 came out there was an
article in Marvel Age #33 (I think) where they talked about the new X-
Factor series and the return of the original X-Men. Many of the
promational images showed the rest of the X-Men but blocked Jean:
Marvel Age teaser #1Marvel Age teaser #2
Many people thought Pheonix was coming back not Jean.
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Peter Svensson
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It's funny. I was looking through the old usenet archives about this issue's response, and some of the fans thought that JB had taken his name off the issue in protest of Jean's resurrection. How wrong they were.
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Matt Hawes
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One day, it would be cool to see "Fantastic Four #286: The John Byrne Cut" published.
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Ron Farrell
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JB, your FF version is indeed better than the published one.
I still believe that either version robs the entire run of X-MEN 100-137 of a great deal of its emotional power, not just Jean's death. The best portrayal ever of the Scott/Jean romance never really happened to Jean.
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