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Eric Lund
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Which is why comics today are all pretty much 80 titles of the same team or character....
a few gems shine thru the glare of all the other shit basking in the sunlight but by and large the days of a Neal Adams taking on Marvel's worst selling title the X-Men just to find a place to be creative and left alone are long gone....
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John Byrne
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Part of the problem is that too many people want to take on the best selling titles so they can be "creative and left alone".
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Aaron Smith
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One of the problems that I keep noticing since getting back into comics is that many of today's writers can't seem to understand the two very different processes involved in writing one's own creations and writing about previously established characters. It seems to me that the mental process of writing a character completely of one's own imagination differs in many respects from writing, for example, The Fantastic Four. So taking on a "best selling title" assuming that means Spider-Man or FF or Batman, and expecting to be "left alone" is absurd!
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Pascal LISE
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Royalties are the best and worst thing that has happened in comics in
the
past 25 years or so
Part of the problem is that too many people want to take on the best
selling titles so they can be "creative and left alone"
Mr Byrne, you got royalies for some work you did 25 years ago.
Since Kirby was still working for Marvel 30 years ago, the gap isn't that
big and I wonder if, to your knowledge, Mr Kirby recieved anything for
reprint of his work ?
Or was he already deceased when Marvel started its royalties policy ?
One thing that we can agree on is that Mr Kirby didn't take on selling
titles to appear creative.
He created his titles or co-created most of them.
Edited by Pascal LISE on 18 September 2007 at 11:12am
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Charles Jones
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I got fooled by "Silver Age." I assumed that it was going to be a loving
homage instead of a parody.
The best thing about it was the covers by some of the original creators:
Aparo on "Brave & the Bold", Infantino on "Flash", Kane on "Green Lantern",
etc. After that, it was kinda forgettable.
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I don't think todays creators know how to "play it straight" or else they don't get the Silver Age, or worse they won't commit to it.
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John Byrne
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The word I hear most often, from fans and pros alike, when referring to the Silver Age is "goofy".If you're planning to do a "homage", that's not a real good place to start.
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David Ferguson
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Part of the problem is that too many people want to take on the best selling titles so they can be "creative and left alone".
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I'd do the opposite. I'd pick a lower selling character and try to invigorate the title.
For me, most things have been said for the best selling titles. I'd like to give a voice to something that hasn't been spoken about as much.
That's just me though.
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Chad Carter
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"Golden Age" characters or public domain characters seem like such fertile ground to operate in. There are these spectacularly cool concepts that are solid as forged iron, designed by men who'd never seen a superhero before in their life, operating in a twilight between the Pulps and comic books.
I don't even think they're really time-specific. The Invaders, maybe. The ability to either use history or not is an important part of reviving Golden Agers. SANDMAN MYSTERY THEATRE is suavely contemporary while firmly transporting the reader back to the 1930s. Plus, Wesley Dodds is given an opportunity to be interesting without revamping or reimagining thoroughly. Just a nice balance of contemporary writing and pulp asthetic.
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Martin Redmond
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As long as the characters aren't standing around saying stuff like:"We're silver age!!!" or "The author is making a comment about the comics industry, isn't that SO incredibly clever chaps? Ahahaha." it's fine with me. Aside from Mystery Incorporated which was amusing for one issue, the rest was pretty dull and aimless.
If it hadn't been for the nostalgia factor over early F4 comics, I would've found that issue really lousy. The gimmick was the only interesting thing about the story.
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Jason Schulman
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Which is why I tend to like Moore's "For the
Man who has Everything" story far more than "Whatever happened to the
Man of Tomorrow" which was more parody and cliche.
Wha? "Whatever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow?" was hardly parody (or "cliche" -- what does this mean?). It was, if nothing else, a very sad story. What exactly was it parodying?
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Simon Bucher-Jones
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I'm not sure about parodying, but if you asked what it was erm 'strongly influenced by' you'd be well advised to look up the plot of the novel 'Superfolks'.
Simon BJ
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Charles Jones
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I don't get why creators look at older comics Silver Age and Golden Age, as period pieces. If you were making a movie about the 50's you would like to get it as authentic as possible for the story to work. I love to read a comic where you are swept back in time and it has the atmosphere of the old comics. That's when I can tell someone gets it, where I almost think I'm reading an old comic for a second.
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