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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 06 September 2007 at 5:22am | IP Logged | 1
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I learned quickly from the last attempt of a "group" commission that it will never happen.
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David Henriot Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 September 2007 at 5:26am | IP Logged | 2
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The problem with rating pages is : what is a normal J.B.'s page ? Is it that kicking art one, or a "talking" one ?
John Mietus : The fact is it's still is an idea. As long as it doesn't had it's own topic, and publicity, even outside of this forum, it's still is an idea stuck between page 3 and 5 of this topic. How many members read the whole topics, and goes beyond the first image of page 1 ? Do we gather all J.B.'s fans, and all peoples that will be interrested by this ? I am not sure.
After all, we're still at where we were yesterday, find a maximum of TEN peoples. And 3 or 4 already say they were in.
Edit : Come on, the Othello poster already got 3 topics (including the presentation of the art)
Edited by David Henriot on 06 September 2007 at 5:34am
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David Henriot Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 September 2007 at 5:29am | IP Logged | 3
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And what if John does the whole issue and sale it on Ebay or by Jim's private sales ? Then, we'd all loose the possibility of having a piece of that. It would be too bad.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 06 September 2007 at 5:38am | IP Logged | 4
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You know, JB, you could always end this by making a simple statement like "I will not accept a multi-page commission from multiple clients for the reasons I've already stated" and leave it at that. ••• Well, JM, a page back I began a post with this: "Now, let's talk seriously about why this wouldn't work. (And it's basically the same reason these mad schemes have fallen apart in the past.)" Wouldn't you think that would be sufficient? Oh, no, I forgot again. This is the internet.
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 06 September 2007 at 5:39am | IP Logged | 5
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David, I appreciate your enthusiasm for the project but I don't see JB doing this unless he was commissioned. You pose the question about how do you rate a "normal" JB page. It is easy, he has a set page rate that Marvel, DC or any other publisher would pay for his services. We are asking him to write, pencil, ink and even letter each page. Even if the page doesn't have a lot of "action" he put in the work for the page to ask for his rate. If we wanted a commissioned comic, we become like Marvel or DC and we pay his set rate, regardless of what came out on the page. He wouldn't hold Marvel up for more money because one page looked more "kick-ass" than another. Just as DC wouldn't short him money on a page that was more "quiet".
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Tony Meusel Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 September 2007 at 7:46am | IP Logged | 6
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Ah. So in order that some folk pay less than the usual rate, others would be expected to pay more?
And this by you is "fair"?
Not my money, so I really do not care if this happens or not. Applying simple supply and demand economics, yes it would be fair. The key, I think, is for one person to champion the project and to work out page distribution in some way that does not involve you.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 06 September 2007 at 7:56am | IP Logged | 7
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Not my money, so I really do not care if this happens or not. ••• Rather a key point there, isn't it? ++ The key, I think, is for one person to champion the project and to work out page distribution in some way that does not involve you. •• Read that aloud to yourself. Several times. Until you get it.
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John Mietus Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 September 2007 at 11:11am | IP Logged | 8
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John Byrne wrote:
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Yeah, you'd think. But some people don't hear "No" until you hit them
with a brick with "No" printed on it. And then there's that whole issue of
personal entitlement thing, too, as David's reply to me illustrated.
"Hey, it's our idea! Why can't we talk about it?"
"You can talk all you want to, but since the point's moot, why would you
want to waste your time?"
"But we want to!"
Insert eye rolling emoticon here.
Edited by John Mietus on 06 September 2007 at 11:12am
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Tony Meusel Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 September 2007 at 11:34am | IP Logged | 9
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JB also said on Wednesday Morning:
This is why it only works if one person wants to commission the whole story. Which is why it ain't gonna happen.
Which is what my scenario entails. One person approaches Jim with the commision, gets a price and gets it done. JB does the work, Jim gets the pages, gives them to commisioner, who then divides the pages to investors, based on some scale of thier choice.
JB not doing it under any circumstance, has not been made clear.
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Brandon Carter Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 September 2007 at 1:07pm | IP Logged | 10
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Back in 1969, to celebrate Batman's 30th anniversary, Detective Comics 387 featured a retelling of Batman's first story by Mike Friedrich, Bob Brown, and Joe Giella.
Then in 1991 to celebrate Batman's 600th appearance in Detective Comics, issue 627* featured two retellings of that first story. One was by Marv Wolfman, Jim Aparo, and Mike DeCarlo and the other was by Alan Grant, Norm Breyfogle, and Steve Mitchell. The previous retelling from 1969 and the original story are also included in that issue.
Batman's 60th anniversary is only about a year and a half away. Perhaps DC will want to commemorate the occasion by having some new retellings. It couldn't hurt to pitch the idea.
*Yes, Batman's 600th appearance in Detective Comics would actually have been the previous issue, 626.
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Wayne Osborne Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 September 2007 at 1:30pm | IP Logged | 11
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Looks like I shoulda just "took one for the team" and prevented all this.
WO
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David Henriot Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 September 2007 at 2:07pm | IP Logged | 12
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John Mietus, I'm sorry that you see things that way, 'cause it's not what happened. On page 4, wich is just one page after the idea pop, when J.B. mean stop - and, yeah, even i could see that -, i skipped and went on something else. Then, it's true, i keep on disscussing about things i thougth were not working or bringing more complications, realising by the way i misunderstood part.
We are many here wanting this project to be done, among wich J.B. himself. I think that 2 days searching together a way is not too much. John gives us a good reason why it should not work : all pages don't have the same interrest. Good point. This project will not works, in a collective form at least. But i refuse to have a "NO" for first answer, and i'm sorry you did. I'm glad i keep searching, sad we didn't found a way to make it works, and sorry if i seemed rude to any of you.
Now, i give up (but in fact did yeasterday), smart guy you were rigth, this won't happen. And i'm not happy about it. The No-men win.
The reason i think this didn't works is more because it's a golden age comics, and it does not interrest enough peoples.
David
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