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Chris Hutton
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| Posted: 30 July 2007 at 8:09pm | IP Logged | 1
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Emery, what the hell is that thing?
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Brian Floyd
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| Posted: 30 July 2007 at 8:14pm | IP Logged | 2
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You know, I've watched enough court shows (Judge Joe Brown rocks!) to know this:
a. The document Gerry received saying that there was no contract is meaningless. If you pay someone money to do something, you've got a verbal contract right there. Gerry was given written documentation that the art would be done in a certain amount of time, and that amounts more or less to a written contract. Most judges would laugh a "there was no contract" defense out of court with that kind of evidence. You can't change the terms of a deal after its been done unless BOTH sides agree to it.
b. I'm pretty sure you can't tell someone you don't give refunds AFTER you have already been paid.
My advice would be for Michael to post the artwork he received (if he has a scanner or knows someone who does and will let him use it) at the same places what happened to Gerry has been discussed.... especially at CAF and Newsarama, and for anyone else who gets any "patience is a virtue" artwork from Golden that was supposed to be done months ago to do the same.
Edited by Brian Floyd on 30 July 2007 at 8:16pm
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Mark Haslett
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It sounds like time for Mr. Golden to get back on the meds.
I'm really sorry this has happened to you Michael. I can't tell you how sorry it makes me feel. I used to REALLY like this guy because of his pretty pictures.
Now he's just a bully and a scam artist.
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Emery Calame
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| Posted: 30 July 2007 at 8:15pm | IP Logged | 4
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Chris, It's a giant isopod also known as a sea louse! ( A big fat louse being the operative concept here!)
It's kind of like a really big ocean dwelling pill bug(aka: sow bug, rolly polly).
A little bit.
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Martin Arlt
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| Posted: 30 July 2007 at 8:22pm | IP Logged | 5
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Michael, don't take offense to this, but I have to assume you're joking until I see this with my own eyes.
I just can't fathom that anyone would be self-destructive enough to pull this more than once, especially on such expensive commissions. I mean, the negative publicity generated by the first drawing and subsequent discussions must have already seriously damaged his earning potential. But this???
Martin Arlt..............................
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David Schimmel
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Mike,
You are KIDDING, right?
Wow, I am sure in his heart he thinks he is making a valid point and showing
his wit at the same time....but all he will end up doing is hurting his bottom
line.
I don't get it. Renee should let him know that this is not going well and to
make some type of restitution with the buyers.
crazy.
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Emery Calame
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| Posted: 30 July 2007 at 8:26pm | IP Logged | 7
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I think Michael Finn might want to wait until he tries to contact Renee before he posts it. I really want to see it too but he might want to give her a chance to fix things (QUICKLY!) before stirring the pot even more. The potential of calming things down a little just might serve as some incentive for Golden and company to do the right thing. Or maybe the right thing is to strike while the iron is hot. I dunno. I'm not much of a negotiator except where late model cars are concerned..
Edited by Emery Calame on 30 July 2007 at 8:38pm
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Martin Arlt
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Don't misunderstand, I also think this is best handled through the proper channels first. I'm not trying to get Michael to post the picture (despite my desire to see it!). I just can't (or don't want to) believe it!
Martin Arlt.......................
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Brian Sagar
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| Posted: 30 July 2007 at 8:41pm | IP Logged | 9
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Martin: I've seen the scan privately. I can confirm that it is exactly as Mike described it. "Virtue" is spelled correctly this time around, for what it's worth.
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Brian Hunt
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| Posted: 30 July 2007 at 8:43pm | IP Logged | 10
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Unbelievable. Michael has to be joking.
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Jason Czeskleba
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| Posted: 30 July 2007 at 8:47pm | IP Logged | 11
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Golden must have already mailed Michael's piece before Gerry had gone public with the story of the piece he received, right? I can't imagine anyone could be foolish enough to pull this crap a second time after seeing the publicity created by the first instance.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 30 July 2007 at 8:50pm
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Christopher Alan Miller
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| Posted: 30 July 2007 at 8:54pm | IP Logged | 12
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Maybe he's decided that he's done with comics and wants to burn his bridges.
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