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Chad Carter
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Again, isn't it disingenious to assume Hyperion is merely a "knock-off" and isn't viable? Hyperion, like any character, is one creative team away from making Superman or any original appear quaint and insubstantial.
I argue that any character is worthwhile, not merely the greatest ones. A knock-off in one mind is a character of great untapped potential in another.
If indeed Hyperion is essentially Superman, the two of them would destroy the Earth in battle. Neither would win.
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Michael Connell
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Hyperion and the rest of the Squadron Sinister were created to deliberately mirror the Justice League.
Hyperion....Superman
Nighthawk....Batman
Dr. Spectrum....Green Lantern
Whizzer....Flash
etc.
It was a way to have the Avengers square off with the "JLA".
Edited by Michael Connell on 09 June 2007 at 5:28pm
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Daniel Kendrick
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Stéphane: Honestly don't know, never looked into the background of the whole 'Nuff Said storyline. The Exiles book was readable and if you followed the series you could get what the writer was aiming for. Some of the others bordered on the surreal while reading it (X-Treme X-Men)
Chad: To me Hyperion stopped being a joke when the maxi-series came out in the 80s.
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Wayne Osborne
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| Posted: 09 June 2007 at 5:32pm | IP Logged | 4
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Well, Hyperion clearly wins the "battle of the bulge" in the first pics..........
WO
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Paul Kimball
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| Posted: 09 June 2007 at 6:07pm | IP Logged | 5
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Hyperion is a knock-off. Super-hero combat rule 11B
specifically states that when the original fights a knock-off, the original
wins. You could put Superman in a kryptonite straightjacket and he would
still win.
For every version of Superman outside of John Byrne's this is true which is
why I've never enjoyed Superman. The entire universe could take him on and
lose. Hyperion should give Superman a very tough battle.
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Brian Hunt
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| Posted: 09 June 2007 at 6:49pm | IP Logged | 6
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Evil Hyperion from the Exiles gives Superman a run for his money, but nobody beats Big Blue under a yellow sun.
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Trevor Smith
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Michael, you just gave me a wicked surge of nostalgia. That avengers cover you show is from one of my first comics ever. I can't begin to tell you how many times I read that thing! All I remember clearly from it is someone finally (trying?) taking out Hyperion, with the comment "That's all, Hype". Man, I just totally got sold on the Avengers 40 years dvd.
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James Hanson
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Het, a lot of cool alternate characters! Spidey 2099, Starbrand, Spider-Ham,
Deathlok, and Killraven!
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Brian Hague
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Michael Connell wrote:"I always thought it was cool that Marvel's Superman copy wore the original Captain Marvel's colors. ;-) "
Hey, Michael, those may be Billy's colors, but it's Steel Sterling's suit. No doubt Roy thought it would be somehow amusing to pattern his Superman "homage" after comics first "Man of Steel." Hil-larious... No, really... it's a scream...
 
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Victor Rodgers
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I would say no. Since Hyperion has shown to have difficulty in all out brawls with equally powerful foes. It comes from always having to hold back in fights. While Superman has proven to be a good brawler, who has fought equally powerful foes more often.
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Michael Connell
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| Posted: 10 June 2007 at 1:45am | IP Logged | 11
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That's the Squadron Supreme Hyperion, I was talking about the original Squadron Sinister Hyperion, I don't think Super-Villains do much holding back.
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Silent issues month looked very much like a Joe Q idea.
And if it have sometime (rarely) given good results, like with the Hulk issue by Bruce Jones & John Romita Jr, it was really a silly idea to force it on some other books.
I think the best exemple is X-Treme X-Men by Claremont. Words are clearly one of the things that make the Claremont books great. The way he use them to give us an inner look at the characters is one of the most important elements of his style of storytelling. The issue was clearly ruined by this "silent issue month" diktat. And it wasn't a stand-alone, so we have it in the middle of a story-arc. maybe part 3 of a four parts arc (i'ld have to check the correct number of parts, but you got the idea). That was really silly. We were in the middle of great story, with deep characters, and then we have only moving bodies doing things that advance minor points of the plot for a whole issue. It's like a void in the middle of a story-arc. But it still happened and things still have changed and we still need to "read" it to have the whole story.
I wasn't happy about it. At all.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 10 June 2007 at 7:53am
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