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Emery Calame
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Posted: 23 May 2007 at 4:22pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Carmen, even some of the kids books have questionable content. Japanese and American humor sensibilities regarding what is appropriate for kids can vary a lot. Naruto has the "1000 years of Pain". (which started  the "Kancho" craze among Japanese school boys where they tried to sneak up and violently goose each other and sometimes even adults).

Giant robot shows for kids often have a hermaphrodite or transvestite villain. (Like Gatchaman's Berg Katz or Mazinger's Baron Ashura)

Depending on which series you read Gundam has all sorts of heart wrenching violence and betrayal. The part in V-Gundam  where the young league Militaire pilot Usso, a 13 year old kid,  tries to rescue his child hood friend who was kidnapped by the Zanscarl military and she lets him get close just so she can stab him in the guts is a bit rough for youngsters. Likewise her being brain fried by the Angel Halo is a bit strong. 

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Chad Carter
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You know, American companies have proven they can have variety in genre and content without resorting to cravenly adopting an Anime style in order to suckle at that particular tit. It's one thing to provide one-off statues in an Anime style of classic heroes, and another to pander to fans in such a way that the stories, the comics, involved will look horribly dated in a few years. Kind of like the X-MEN in the 90s.

The American companies are cutting out the general reading public in order to push their way into what's hot right now, focusing on a narrow populace of post-college Anime dorks instead of strengthening the once-unique individual styles of many different artists from all over the world that will lead to new directions in comics perhaps not yet seen. See, finding the next Steve Ditko may yield characters and comics never seen before, as was the case when the first Ditko came around.

Instead they're all hacking their way along to make some short-term money, and insure stagnant dependency on a fad. And no, Manga and Anime are not a fad. American comics characters being reproduced in those styles is a fad. Like the 90s Marvel.

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I just finished the first 52 pages of Ghost in the Shell and I can honestly say I have no idea what I just read.  None.  I could not answer a single question about it.  Maybe manga is not for me...
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I watched the first Anime and was left with that feeling of not knowing what just happened...
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Ghost in the Shell, I never got into it, myself. Then again, I got one of
Masamune Shirow's art books and it's fabulous.
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Oh, and the second movie, INNOCENCE, is pretty good. Very Blade Runner.
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You know, American companies have proven they can have variety in
genre and content without resorting to cravenly adopting an Anime style
in
order to suckle at that particular tit. It's one thing to provide one-off
statues
in an Anime style of classic heroes, and another to pander to fans in such
a
way that the stories, the comics, involved will look horribly dated in a few
years. Kind of like the X-MEN in the 90s.


It doesn't matter if they look dated in a few years, it matters if they'll sell
NOW. In a few years, the window for profit for a single issue will be long
closed.

The American companies are cutting out the general reading public in
order to push their way into what's hot right now, focusing on a narrow
populace of post-college Anime dorks instead of strengthening the once-
unique individual styles of many different artists from all over the world
that will lead to new directions in comics perhaps not yet seen


Are comicbook dorks somehow "cooler" than Anime dorks? Just curious. A
comicbook company's job isn't strengthening the "unique" styles, which
seem to already be prevalent in the independent comicbooks, it's to sell
comicbooks. If adopting an anime style will help DC sell more books to
kids, I'm all for it. BTW, if you're looking for new directions not yet seen,
stop looking at Marvel/DC books. The Indie books have plenty of that.

Instead they're all hacking their way along to make some short-term
money, and insure stagnant dependency on a fad. And no, Manga and
Anime are not a fad. American comics characters being reproduced in
those styles is a fad. Like the 90s Marvel.


Manga is just an art style, and art styles will always change based on
what's popular with the consumer. Jack Kirby books sold well in the 60's,
but didn't sell as well during the 80's, where the art style of John Byrne
and George Perez dominated. If you're referring to early 90's Marvel, the
art style of Liefeld, McFarlane, and Lee sold comics. When they stop
selling, then it's time to move on.

If Manga can help attract new fans to a dying industry, good.
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GHOST IN THE SHELL update:

Got to page 90 this evening and I'm done.  I just can't get into this comic or make much sense of it.  I don't think I've ever not been able to finish a comic once I started it.  I may try to read it again but I think it's going to be a long time and I'll have to read lots of ESSENTIALS and SHOWCASE PRESENTS volumes in the meantime to clear my pallet.

I still plan to give BLADE OF THE IMMORTAL a try...

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Francesco Vanagolli
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Yesterday I completed my re-reading of DRAGON BALL. And I can say only... Wow. I love that comic book. I know the story very well, now, but reading those 42 trades is always a big time FUN. Like it were always new.
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John Angelo
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*Heads up for any San Francisco bay area manga fans*

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The Asian Art Museum of San Francisco is having an exhibit, Tezuka: The Marvel of Manga !!!

The first Tuesday of each month is free admission, so I'm taking my son next week. We haven't done a whole lot of museum trips and this is as good as any to start.

I went to the web site for the museum and my jaw dropped. As well as Tezuka, the museum is featuring  Yoshitoshi's Strange Tales:
Woodblock Prints from Edo to Meiji
Yoshitoshi was the master printmaker. I'm very anxious to see this stuff in person!

Here's an excellent sampling of his work though I don't know if any of these prints will be featured.

Oh, they may be the slightest bit 'disturbing' so don't navigate the link if you're one of those folks.  Gotta watch out for those Japanese influences! I'd suggest avoiding anything by William Hogarth as well.

:rolls eyes:

http://www.lunerouge.org/spip/article_print.php3?id_article= 195

 

 

Btw, if you think manga's disturbing, perhaps a heaping dose of William Hogarth can




 

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I made it to the Asian Art Museum to see the Tezuka exhibit. Always great to see original art right in front of you. But the highlight of the tour of the museum for me was the Yoshitoshi exhibit. Lots more prints than I was expecting and all were amazing.

 

Following the Asian Art Museum, my son and I went to the Cartoon Art Museum. A small place, but the highlight for me was seeing a Roy Crane strip and this wall of Chester Gould Dick Tracy, Will Eisner Spirit and Lil' Abner by Al Capp!!!

 

 

 

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Flavio Sapha
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YOSHITOSHI???

That's my favorite ukiyo-e (print) artist!

Did you notice the Frank Miller connection, John?
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