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Bradley Dean
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I wonder -- in the Age of the Internet, if I did that shot
today, would there be gripes about me being "lazy"
for not filling up the whole page?
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I hope not the black really captures Reeds feelings in that issue.
Just as people complained about the white pages in Alpha Flight, it was appropriate. Of course I wouldn't want to many of those pages and be robbed of JB's talented artistic skills.
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Vinny Valenti
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" I had no idea that the Sue would lose the baby.
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No internet, no PREVIEWS, no WIZARD...."
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Yes, but not quite.... I wish I can find the links for proof, but I remember coming across old USENET posts from '84 from a bunch of people that were LIVID over this ending....see, they were actually having a pool over what gender Sue's baby was going to be. And they felt cheated that they never found out. Supposedly they wrote angry letters to Marvel at the time to at least know what the gender was "intended", so they'd know who "won". But what I don't think they got was that this was planned all along, so the gender was probably never decided in the first place. Man, you had to see some of the nasty things they were saying....so, yes, the "Internet fanboy" was out there even way back then, even before it was known to the world as the Internet!
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Pablo Chiste
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Man, I love that Fantastic Four run . My favorite run on any comic ever.
John, was that your first full writing gig ever? I know you co-plotted the X-men issues with Chris Claremont, but these Fantastic Fours are brewing with so many new ideas it seems it was your first outlet to let them all out.
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Wallace Sellars
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"The paper octopus dolls were genius."
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Rats! You beat me to it, Paulo!
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John Byrne
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John, was that your first full writing gig ever?
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My first published professional writing was in
SPACE: 1999 (that's if you don't count my rewriting in
DOOMSDAY+1). FF was my first monthly gig, tho.
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Caleb M. Edmond
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Trying my hand at writing for a past 10 years, I've attempting to come up
with an original idea that has this type of literal crecendo, with this kind of
heart wrenching climax...
...No such luck so far.
Magnificent bit of stortelling JB.
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Jefferson Wolfe
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I think is a good example of "the illusion of change" that is spoken of in episodic stories. You can't realy make a monster-sized change to the characters without significantly altering the product, but you can create a compelling story that impacts the characters and the readers, at least in the short term.
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Aaron Smith
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The single panel in the middle of the black page is absolutely brilliant.
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Chris Durnell
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It's nice that Dr Octopus's old profession was remembered and used in a story. Ditko always seemed to remember that Octopus was a genius scientist, but over the years he just morphed into a typical bully criminal type.
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John Byrne
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Indeed! I drew a Spider-Man annual, lo these many years ago, and when the writer asked me which villain I would like to use I said "Mysterio!" Well, apparently Mysterio was planned for something else, so I said "Doctor Octopus!"Unfortunately, what I got was a ghost story with Octavius as a mob boss, not a scientist. Ah, well!!
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John Byrne
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I remember coming across old USENET posts from '84 from a bunch of people that were LIVID over this ending....see, they were actually having a pool over what gender Sue's baby was going to be. And they felt cheated that they never found out. Supposedly they wrote angry letters to Marvel at the time to at least know what the gender was "intended", so they'd know who "won". But what I don't think they got was that this was planned all along, so the gender was probably never decided in the first place. Man, you had to see some of the nasty things they were saying....so, yes, the "Internet fanboy" was out there even way back then, even before it was known to the world as the Internet!*** Well,, I guess they can collect on their bets, now…
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Rick Senger
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With apologies to JB, who continued to put out consistently strong FFs
for another several years after this offering (and several
particularly standout issues in the coming run), this is one of the
last great Fantastic Four issues in my mind. I don't share JB's
reticence regarding the art; this issue is a particular
favorite, especially the mega battle between Reed and Ock (the
painful stretching of Reed is exceptional), Doc Ock's paper dolls, and
the big reveal at the end. I re-read this issue as often as
almost any in my FF collection and the atypical handling of
Octavius remains a strong and unique take 20 plus years later.
Edited by Rick Senger on 07 May 2007 at 10:05pm
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