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Jason Schulman
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Posted: 27 April 2007 at 12:58pm | IP Logged | 1  

I thought the Kid Eternity bit was clever. (I'd completely forgotten about Kid Eternity, too!) But Jason Todd should still be dead dead dead -- and for that matter, forgotten. 
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Look, I love the Silver Age Superman stories. I love the Bronze age ones too, and JB's run...but you can't go back. Things don't need to be drastically changed, a little bit of an update here and there, but they shouldn't be re-wound.

The fact that this is happening is another nail on the coffin, that the people who matter to comics now are even beyond thier twenties. (I'm 23, and I've sworn off all marvel and DC in continuity comics.) The new Legion of Super-Heroes show is great, but its not causing kids to run to comics. And if it did, a married, father-figure Superman would soon chase them off.

What I loved about JB's version is that it was timeless. It didn't need to be updated. But DC seems deadset on bringing back the version of the character that chased off people to begin with.

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Posted: 27 April 2007 at 3:23pm | IP Logged | 3  

It still boggles my mind that they used an alternate universe Superboy to explain the resurrection of an important Batman character.
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 QUOTE:
The fact that this is happening is another nail on the coffin


Oh come on.
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Posted: 27 April 2007 at 3:54pm | IP Logged | 5  

Just wait until the final five issues of Infinite Crisis come out -- THEN it will all make sense.

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I've seen this sort of comment made a few times. Is this an actual rumor?
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Posted: 27 April 2007 at 4:05pm | IP Logged | 6  

 Lars wrote:

I think I understand what you mean, but I don't agree. Even if he is killed now it has actually nothing to do with what happened in the movies or Smallville. If we look at JB's Superman, his parents are 20 years younger. In the movie another older Johnathan dies from a heart attack. It was not to me any big "death of Jonathan", it was probably a movie mishap or they had not time to kill both of them and still they wanted Clark to leave as Superman. This should be the same event the movie way as when Superboy's parents died pre-crisis.

On the Smallville show his parents were young and beautiful. It's pretty obvious that (to begin with) we watched a younger version of JB's Superman. Suddenly they killed the wrong guy, to fit in with the movie "easy way out"-thing. But he is not the same age.

On the other hand, when Clark has become Superman, after JB left the title, it's OK to me to let Clark die, let his parents die, let one of them die, let Clark himself die as long as they keep the birth matrix and stay with the continuity etc.

It was a joke, Lars.
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"I'm hoping the Superman team realizes what a big mistake it was
getting rid of Jonathan Kent on Smallville and won't follow suit in order to be
more in line with the movies."

Its been foreshadowed in Justice League of America #0 that it will.

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Personally, I'm coming to terms with the fact that "my" Superman, the John Byrne Superman, is gone.  I don't like it, but now I realize that the shoe is on the proverbial other foot.  Just as the fans of the pre-Crisis Superman cried "foul", so do I now.  I was 16 when the reboot took place.  I had been reading Superman since I was 5 (that I can remember), but it was magical for me to realize that I was in a place I never would thought I would be...on the ground floor of a Superman launch!  And where the Pre-Crisis Superman had a "loosly based" continuity (by this I mean that some stories from the 40s - 70s were "canonical" while others were "apocryphal" or regulated to "Earth-2"), from 1986 - 1995 thereabouts, the continuity was among the tightest in the industry, with each incoming creative team building on what came before.

Now, I don't know about anyone else, but it seems to me that the powers-that-be at DC are almost pathologically doing everything they can to obviate the "Byrne years" and pretend that they never existed.  Anything that even reeks of the MOS reboot is vehemently denied.  Yet they wanted to have their cake and eat it two.  Its been said that Superman gets rebooted every 20 years, but it seems that the Man of Steel has been rebooted three times in the past ten:  "Return to Krypton", "Birthright", and finally "Infinigte Crisis".  Yet unlike MOS, which had a clearly defined and stated square one, these reboots are accepted then tossed at a whim.  "Yes, Clark had a career as Superboy, but we don't think he was in costume.  We don't know yet.  We'll get back to you," for example.  Kurt Buesik basically said as much at the "Superman Homepage". 

I miss the Byrne years wholeheartedly, but I still have my back issues and every so often I start rereading them from square one, in order.  It was an exciting time of comics for me that I will always treasure.  However, I'm finding it harder to enjoy Superman comics these days when one day he is friends with Batman in one issue and can barely stand the guy in another*

End of rant.  Sorry, but I just had to unload.

*A situation not limited to Superman.  In previous issues of JLA, Batman avowed how he respected and admired Plastic Man as an ally, and in a recent "Superman/Batman" he hardly knew him and could barely stand him.

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Posted: 27 April 2007 at 6:51pm | IP Logged | 9  

Its been foreshadowed in Justice League of America #0 that it will.

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Yeah, but Martha was seen to be quite elderly in that issue, as opposed to the relatively youthful Martha of the "present," implying that that's many years in the future and thus not something we'd ever see.  Hopefully, anyway.  I like Jonathan being alive, and his death any point other than before Clark becomes Superman doesn't hold very much meaning, in my opinion, and is thus unnecessary.
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....it seems that the Man of Steel has been rebooted three times in the past ten:  "Return to Krypton", "Birthright", and finally "Infinigte Crisis"

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"Return to Krypton" was never a reboot though, Paul.  It was meant to make us think "Everything you know is a lie," but in the end the Byrne continuity remained intact.
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Posted: 27 April 2007 at 7:08pm | IP Logged | 11  

And to bring back Krypto! Speaking of which, what is Krypto's origin post-IC? I wonder if that was referred to in the shelved Action Comics Krypto story.
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Posted: 27 April 2007 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | 12  

Another thing that bugs me about the current Superman Family is that the upbeat Supergirl that Mark Waid writes in The Brave and the Bold and in Supergirl and the Legion of Super-Heroes is a totally different character from the angsty, troubled teen in Supergirl. I was hoping this would be addressed in 52, but the events in the World War III issues just made the character more confusing.
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