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Sam Parker
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Just got back from Midtown Comics in NYC where the Associated Press and various local news outlets had camera crews filming as copies of this issue flew of the rack. Limit 1 of each alternative cover per customer!
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Matt Hawes
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Joe, I do think that's what bothers me about the storyline: Captain America surrender and was later shot point blank by an assassin.
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David Carr
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Superman died from an event-driven marketing campaign. So did Captain America. Neither death will be permanent.
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Paulo Pereira
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Yeah, not very dignified. Might at least have been while defending someone.
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Paulo Pereira
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QUOTE:
| S***piece! Paulo! Assemble a strike-force immediately! |
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Roger that, Gregatron!
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Paulo Pereira
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"Who says I wasn't talking about the comic book? :P"
Curses!! He saw through my ruse!! |
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Just curious to know if anyone has read that, btw. If I remember right, Prime kills himself because he killed some AI creatures, or something like that.
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Joe Zhang
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He surrenders, gets soundly chastised by some self-important metrosexual, gets put down in cuffs without a fight. *Sigh*
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Paulo Pereira
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| Superman died from an event-driven marketing campaign. So did Captain America. Neither death will be permanent. |
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And when they bring Cap back, I'll be sure to hear "You got The Touch! You got THE POWWEEEERRRR!" in my head... OK, I'll stop with the Transformers references.
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Bruce Buchanan
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I think a big part of the problem people have with this storyline goes beyond just killing off Captain America (which most of us believe is temporary, anyway).
The whole tone of Civil War and its tie-ins has been one of cynicism. Good guys act like bad guys, civilians turn against heroes and the whole concept of superheroes gets treated like a quaint, outdated notion that no longer has any meaning in today's world.
Cap's death isn't just a supehero storyline - it's a symbolic act indicating that the American Dream, human kindness and basic morality don't have a place in edgy, "sophisticated" modern comics, where everyone lives in a shade of gray.
That's part of what bugs me - well, along with the decidedly unheroic way Cap died.
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Paulo Pereira
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Yeah, superhero comics used to be escapist fiction. They're mostly are not these days.
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Mike Bunge
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"Neither death will be permanent."
I am so sick and tired of this "Well, it won't last - they'll bring him back" nonsense. If you can do ANYTHING with these characters and then simply undo it, than NOTHING you do with them can have ANY meaning. Which would confirm the worst things people like Warren Ellis have said about super-hero comics, that they're just fetish work to satiate the desires of emotionally stunted adolescents who won't read things actually appropriate for adults.
And by the way, Marvel has issued a press statement that says Steve Rogers is dead.
Mike
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Michael Roberts
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Superman died from an event-driven marketing campaign. So did Captain America. Neither death will be permanent.
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That's not the point really. I had the similar issues to this as I did with Iron Spidey. I did not expect that to be permanent either. Spider-Man has had temporary costumes at various points in his career. But coming off of "Sins Past" and "The Other", the Iron Spider-Man outfit was just one more thing pulling the character in the wrong direction. If Spider-Man had not been in an odd place before the costume change, it probably would have just warranted a shrug. Thankfully the suckage of the Iron Spidey outfit was washed away with the suckage of Peter unmasking.
Similarly, you have Captain America going off in all sorts of weird directions in Civil War, surrendering at the finale of Civil War, being chastised for not being on MySpace, and then having a lame ass death. If this storyline were being handled by someone other than Brubaker, I'd probably be a lot more annoyed.
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