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Fred J Chamberlain
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Posted: 28 February 2007 at 7:17am | IP Logged | 1  

>If the Hulk were a killer he would have to be executed.  It would be horrible to allow him to live.  And lets not forget to kill all the super-villains, too.

Wow. 25 years ago, the company killed off an X-Men favorite using the rationale that anything less would be unfair to the story and the fans. *If I'm remembering my Phoenix: The Untold Story one-shot correctly.... times sure change.

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If the Hulk were a killer he would have to be executed.  It would be horrible to allow him to live

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You mean like Ultimate Hulk?  The one everyone here hates?  He killed and was sentenced to death.  He was supposedly executed but somehow escpaed.

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David Whiteley
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Posted: 28 February 2007 at 10:11am | IP Logged | 3  

"How utterly ridiculous to think he wouldn't!"

As a kid I figured if something big was happening like Hulk's rampages
causing death, it would have been mentioned in the story. Marvel's books
had a morality at the time where you couldn't just assume people were dying
without justice being met.

Mind you, the books I read when I was a kid may have been different than
the ones you read. I'm thinking anything pre-350. Once Peter David got all
wrapped up in the multiple personality stuff I took off.
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Joe Zhang
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Posted: 28 February 2007 at 10:17am | IP Logged | 4  

The Hulk DOES kill, but that is because M***** has no imagination. 
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Brad Krawchuk
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Posted: 28 February 2007 at 10:57am | IP Logged | 5  

Matt, Jeff - See, the Capt Stacy storyline is an example of the collateral damage story done right. Ock kills Stacy and leaves Spider-Man to take the blame in the media, and Peter feels guilty because if not for him, Stacy wouldn't have been there to be killed.

However, while the hero feels regret about it, and while he could have done something different, the fact is, he didn't actually kill anyone. It would be like saying Pete murdered Uncle Ben - his inaction caused Ben to die, but he did not kill him.

There's a subtle difference in that, as Spider-Man moved forward from those points, he vowed to do everything he could to save people. He didn't want to feel regret, and it made him realize that with his great power, there must also come greater responsibility.

Hulk, on the other hand, is actually accused of directly killing people. Intentional or not, there's no way back from that.

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When I was a kid, it never occurred to me that anyone was getting killed as a result of big superhero battles. I didn't even think of most of the battles in movies like Star Wars producing any fatalaties, and it wasn't until the death scenes in movies like Return of the Jedi and Transformers: The Movie that I put any thought into the mortality of fictional characters.
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Brad Krawchuk
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Transformers the Movie - PERFECT EXAMPLE!

The villains kill several heroes - on the Autobot shuttle and in Autobot City.

The heroes defeat several villains, leaving them in such bad shape they are jettisoned by their own side during evacuation. Those villains are remolded into newer ones by Unicron.

So... several villains need to be totally overhauled as a result of the heroes actions, and several heroes DIE as a result of the villains actions. Good guys. Bad guys. Which side doesn't kill?

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David Whiteley
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I'm not sure what it is a perfect example of? Why Hulk should kill, or that in
this particular movie there were robotic casualties on both sides?
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Brad Krawchuk
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Posted: 28 February 2007 at 3:08pm | IP Logged | 9  

David -

The bad guys killed - the good guys didn't. Hulk is good.

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Brad Teschner
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Posted: 28 February 2007 at 4:11pm | IP Logged | 10  

several villains need to be totally overhauled as a result of the heroes actions

not really.  the villains probably would have been repaired had they been brought back to Cybertron.  they were dumped from the ship partly as a power play by Starscream.  the over-haul was to remake them to serve Unicron's plans.  the over-haul was the result of Starscream's actions, not the heroes.

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Posted: 28 February 2007 at 4:18pm | IP Logged | 11  

Mind you, the books I read when I was a kid may have been different than
the ones you read. I'm thinking anything pre-350. Once Peter David got all
wrapped up in the multiple personality stuff I took off.
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I'm talking any and all Hulk comics from the 70s onwards. Plenty of stories where enormous damage was caused in battle. I didn't have to see dead bodies to know it had probably happened.
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David Whiteley
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Posted: 28 February 2007 at 4:52pm | IP Logged | 12  

In these battles happened in the real world it probably would have
happened. Did we ever see Thunderbolt Ross saying they wanted to stop
Hulk to end the deaths? I'm asking this seriously because I did not read
every issue of the Hulk. I still think that any Banner-linked Hulk would not
have caused death.

Why do I think this? In JB's issues when Hulk did not have Banner's mind,
there was death caused by the battles. Doc Samson was wanting to
vindicate himself for allowing Hulk to cause the death and destruction.
That was the first time I saw a reference to Hulk causing deaths, but that
rampage was not your ordinary Hulk battle. By the way, I reread that issue
just now and found that bit of dialogue as that was the biggest battle I
could recall Hulk in causing that much damage. And the issue itself
contained a reference to stopping Hulk, all the Avengers were on hand to
do so as well. Wouldn't this have happened a lot more if Hulk was always
causing deaths?

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